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Anyone from police HR? Reference question

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DucksInARowingBoat · 17/10/2025 19:52

Question
I was civilian staff over 12 years ago. I was sacked and they will give me a bad reference but what will that look like?

Background
I was sacked 12 years ago. I worked in a role very successfully for 5 years, got a promotion, and after 2 months in that I was put on an improvement plan. The plan lasted 1 month and I was sacked. Not gross misconduct. I was just out of my depth in the new role (think along the lines of not working fast enough).

I had an impeccable record until then.

During the plan month I tried to do my job well but will admit that during meetings with my manager and HR I had a bad attitude and was unprofessional. I didnt do or say anything personal, think more slamming doors, being argumentative etc.

The reference they provided a few months later was an absolute character assination designed to prevent me from ever getting another job. It was personal and nasty.

I had a side hustle who they also decided to write to for no reason and they got me sacked from that too. It had nothing to do with them and there was no reason for them to do it. They didnt have a duty to inform them, it wasnt dependent on police checks or anything like that. They just decided to do get me sacked.

I am aware that employers can write what they like as long as it's factual. I was stil too fragile to challenge it at the time but ithe reference was at best misleading, if not inaccurate. It also ignored the previous "good" 5 years completely. I remember it said that I (quote) "was incapable of working in any professional enviroment" and that I had a significant negative impact on the whole force (as if admin staff have that much power!).

Since then I've had 2 other jobs and have managed to avoid using the police reference again. Although Ive always been honest about it when asked.

But now, there is a job I want to apply for that asks for 20 years of references!!! So I cant just ignore the police. I can explain about being sacked, what I learned and would do differently etc but if they send the same reference again, Id be screwed.

GDPR suggests they shouldnt have my dismissal files now. Presumably that means they won't have a copy of that reference to send. Does that mean that all they could is just confirm the dates I worked there?

To be clear, if they were to send the reference now, Id be ready to challenge it. However, I also like my current job and I'm a bit scared that drawing attention to myself will risk them writing to my current employer like the did with the side hussle. Again, Id fight that now but I dont want to risk it.

I am thinking about SARS but again, Im just concerned that it will trigger something.

Probably irrational but given what HR did previously I think it's a reasonable worry.

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Squiggles23 · 17/10/2025 20:26

No real knowledge OP but hopefully someone will come along who does.
What constabulary is it? Looks like there are guidance notes available online for many.

I must admit I would be tempted to send a faux reference request to find out. Alternatively you could call HR to ask but obv a bit awkward. Was the police on your cv specifically?

I think your new employer will likely just be using one of those agencies in India or somewhere that do it for them. If so maybe you could ask to give payslips to prove employment or something?

Tagyoureit · 17/10/2025 21:00

20 years of references??

Jc2001 · 17/10/2025 21:03

Tagyoureit · 17/10/2025 21:00

20 years of references??

Yeah, that's crazy. I'd be surprised if anyone I worked with 10 years ago is still in the same company. I don't think any job I've had I'm the last 20 years has asked for references

Tagyoureit · 17/10/2025 21:16

Jc2001 · 17/10/2025 21:03

Yeah, that's crazy. I'd be surprised if anyone I worked with 10 years ago is still in the same company. I don't think any job I've had I'm the last 20 years has asked for references

Exactly, I cant even remember where I worked 20 years ago let alone remember who I worked with to ask them for a reference or even have the means to track them down to ask.

I dont think I'd bother applying for a job that asked 20 years of references! Can't imagine they'd be joyful to work for!

TY78910 · 17/10/2025 21:17

Christ what are you applying for?! MI5?! What if you’re in your 30s, you wouldn’t physically have 20 years of experience. What if the company you worked at 20 years ago went bust? Weird!

I don’t think anyone would be able to write you a reference from 12 years ago these days. I doubt they would remember you. They could probably just confirm you worked there. I don’t think they would hold that old reference on file after all this time. That’s way too much paperwork / data on servers.

Tamfs · 17/10/2025 21:20

Are you applying for a health or education role and getting mixed up between needing to provide a full employment history including gaps with needing to provide full references for every employment you have ever had?

DucksInARowingBoat · 17/10/2025 22:37

I'm not getting confused. It's very clear. They are asking for all employment references since leaving university which in my case is 20ish years. Put it another way, I have only had 3 jobs since uni including the police. I'm ignoring the side hustle.

I doubt they'll approach all of them but I've been asked to provide them.

Obviously everyone has different historu since leaving uni but that is nothing to do with me.

Mine is 20 years with 3 employers who still all exist but one will give me a bad reference.

Can anyone answer my question?

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DucksInARowingBoat · 17/10/2025 22:48

If I cant find the answer I've decided Im not going to apply. I really think Ill enjoy the job but I'm happy enough where I am and I really dont want to risk that.

I tried calling the force but they couldnt help unless I gave them details in writing which I sort of get but then we get into whether it will put me on their radar.

Realistically, I cant see that they would do it again and I think I have cause to kick up a stink if they did but I really dont want to worry about it or deal with it.

When I started this job, years ago, I had to declare that Id been sacked so there will be a record of that on my file here so Im not concerned about them finding out.

Its just that the reference was so personal and vicious and unnecessary. It really was a fuck you, you'll never work in this town again. It seemed to come directly from the woman in HR who dealt with my dismissal and it was very, very personal. Ive just got this worry that there is a note on the file that says any references should be referred to her and she'll have me in her nasty little book.

Obviously she might not even be there anymore and may not remember me or care. Doesn't stop me from worrying or reliving the impact of that reference!

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ladygoingGaga · 17/10/2025 22:51

I work in policing, it is highly unlikely that they will know who was your line manager when you worked for them or that they still work on the force.
im betting they just want employment checkable history, we would just confirm OP worked as in xxx role for xxx years

JohnofWessex · 17/10/2025 22:55

If you give a bad reference it can be challenged and bring down all sorts of trouble on the organisation that provides it.

I note that Royal mail simply confirms that the person was employed by them, dates of employment and salary - from memory

DucksInARowingBoat · 17/10/2025 22:57

ladygoingGaga · 17/10/2025 22:51

I work in policing, it is highly unlikely that they will know who was your line manager when you worked for them or that they still work on the force.
im betting they just want employment checkable history, we would just confirm OP worked as in xxx role for xxx years

I saw my line manager last Christmas. He recognised me too and we actively ignored each other. He was a police officer and as you know, police officers remember people. He was quite senior when I was there and very ambitious so who knows we're he will be now.

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DucksInARowingBoat · 17/10/2025 23:00

JohnofWessex · 17/10/2025 22:55

If you give a bad reference it can be challenged and bring down all sorts of trouble on the organisation that provides it.

I note that Royal mail simply confirms that the person was employed by them, dates of employment and salary - from memory

I know and just from what I remember from the reference, like the line about being unable to work in a professional environment, I would have good cause to take action.

However I dont want to deal with that. I dont want to cause myself unnecessary problems.

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