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Work flexibility policy only working one way.

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OldSchoolCasualty · 15/10/2025 17:57

It's a bit of long are we being unreasonable!
I work in the hospitality industry which includes working days and nights till 6am and have done for many years, for the first 5 years in my field I had set days off (Wednesday/Thursday) I changed departments and no longer had these days off set in stone anymore. But more often than not I would have those days off as it meant I would be working on the weekend. Also fine and to be expected, I'd get the odd weekend off here and there which was a welcome change.
Then a few years ago they introduced a 'flexibility clause' into everyone's contract meaning that they could change your shift pattern/days of work whatever they wanted, if you showed up to work that was you automatically accepting the contract. But flexibility works both ways we shouted and a system was implemented where we could request ad hoc days off. As the rota was always changing and you'd have any idea what days or nights you'd be working the following two weeks, you could request days off months in advance, so you could plan your life, attend events, visit family etc (our earliest shift finish is 8pm but you could be working a night shift)
Then last week an email went out saying we're no longer allowed to put day off requests in, if someone on our department is on holiday it will be automatically declined (I work 4 days a week, so have 3 days off a week)

Then another email was received that says we're no longer allowed to request days off at either side of a holiday request. ( so for a weeks holiday I'd have requested my 4 days holiday and then my days off either side, usually just the two days, like if you took a week off working a Monday to Friday job you'd have the weekend off.
Currently as it stands we have a flexible rota that only works one way, no day off requests, and holiday has to be used for any time off you require. There are no set shifts, so we'll have no idea what days we'll have off at any given time. I request days off sometimes more than 6 months in advance, and am now being told that if someone requests holiday at the same time it will be declined, despite us having to have our days off that week. They're declaring we have to use holiday for any time at all we want to take off. Our holiday for the year for full time is 28 days. Surely it's a digital system and they could use a first come first serve approach like they do with holiday requests.
Now my question is, who is being unreasonable here, us or the company.
Obviously I've had enough and this is the last straw, so I'm looking for another job, but I'd just like to get some perspective are we being unreasonable to expect flexible rotas to work both ways.

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SundayFundayz · 15/10/2025 18:08

This sounds very old school hospitality where everyone worked a silly amount of hours with no work life balance. The industry is changing for the better and they’ll find that people will leave to go to the many other places who understand.

Creu · 15/10/2025 18:10

That doesn’t sound like a healthy workplace culture. Are you able to get another job easily?

Ilikewinter · 15/10/2025 18:16

Sounds bonkers to me! Not surprised you are looking for another job and I would guess others will be following you.

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:26

Ilikewinter · 15/10/2025 18:16

Sounds bonkers to me! Not surprised you are looking for another job and I would guess others will be following you.

Does it? OP's shift patterns are set. OP asks for holiday days, but it not able to change her shift pattern around the holidays. What is unfair about that?

Who, in an office that works five days a week, is able to move their weekend days off around?

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:28

SundayFundayz · 15/10/2025 18:08

This sounds very old school hospitality where everyone worked a silly amount of hours with no work life balance. The industry is changing for the better and they’ll find that people will leave to go to the many other places who understand.

I'm guessing you haven't had much experience of the hospitality industry recently. It's on its knees. There will not be "many other places who understand".

OldSchoolCasualty · 15/10/2025 18:30

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:26

Does it? OP's shift patterns are set. OP asks for holiday days, but it not able to change her shift pattern around the holidays. What is unfair about that?

Who, in an office that works five days a week, is able to move their weekend days off around?

Our shift patterns are not set, that's the problem! we could work any time of the day or night with 2 weeks notice.
If I worked Monday to Friday, I'd have weekends off and would know what my day off were and use holiday appropriately. Sometimes we work up to 9/10 days in a row due to 'needs of the business'

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LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:32

OldSchoolCasualty · 15/10/2025 18:30

Our shift patterns are not set, that's the problem! we could work any time of the day or night with 2 weeks notice.
If I worked Monday to Friday, I'd have weekends off and would know what my day off were and use holiday appropriately. Sometimes we work up to 9/10 days in a row due to 'needs of the business'

Edited

I still don't see what the problem is. You want to do something on a specific day? Book it as holiday.

Purpleturtle45 · 15/10/2025 18:35

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:32

I still don't see what the problem is. You want to do something on a specific day? Book it as holiday.

You are going to end up using way more holidays than you would if you had set shifts that way though.

Sausagescanfly · 15/10/2025 18:42

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:32

I still don't see what the problem is. You want to do something on a specific day? Book it as holiday.

Most people who work 4 days a week could book 7 weeks holiday using 28 days. Given that hospitality is 7 days a week, the op will have to book 7 days to get a week off, so can only get 4 weeks holiday out of the 28 days. That's less than the statutory minimum of 5.6 weeks.

OldSchoolCasualty · 15/10/2025 18:54

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:32

I still don't see what the problem is. You want to do something on a specific day? Book it as holiday.

But we have to be fully available flexible with our rota, so why shouldn't it work the other way round and we be able to request a day off without using the paltry amount of holiday we're given.
Not to mention it may be the case that you book holiday and then end up working till 6am on the day you've booked off!

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toomuchfaff · 15/10/2025 20:07

Nope nope nope and more nope. Id be surprised if that statement doesn't see people leaving in droves and they have to rethink. Can you get a new job?

Minnie798 · 15/10/2025 20:22

They sound unreasonable. Being able to request a day off months in advance is just basic .
As you and your colleagues are all in the same boat, can you agree to help each other out and swap shifts between yourselves.
Until you all get new jobs that is.

itsgettingweird · 15/10/2025 21:02

I agree with the above poster in asking for advice (try ACAS) re the holiday allowance.

A set week M-F means if you book 5/28 days holiday you get 9 days due to the weekends and set shift pattern.

You’ll have to book 9/28 days to get the same on a 4 day week so that’s over 2 weeks holiday (technically)

28 days is usually 5.6 weeks.

itsgettingweird · 15/10/2025 21:07

However there’s also the consideration that if you work 4 days are you only entitled to 4/5 of the 28 days?

Don’t work 4 days because it’s 10/12 hr shifts?

rwalker · 15/10/2025 21:10

So basically they let you know what your working 2 weeks in advance

SundayFundayz · 15/10/2025 23:49

LooseCanyon · 15/10/2025 18:28

I'm guessing you haven't had much experience of the hospitality industry recently. It's on its knees. There will not be "many other places who understand".

I’ve worked in it for the last 20 years.
The industry being on its knees means it’s more important than ever to try and keep hold of the good, experienced staff… not tell them they can’t have their days off at the end of their weeks holiday.

TheSandgroper · 16/10/2025 07:14

I would look carefully at your industrial award and check with your union. 9-10 days consecutively might not be allowed.

But how to force your employers to be kind to you - again, I think that’d a matter for your union to look over your contract and advise.

OldSchoolCasualty · 16/10/2025 15:14

We're all adults, and we all have access to see if anyone has requested to day you want already, why can we not just have a first come first served system which is the way it's always been.
It seems to manager just wants so sling a rota together and can't be bothered to accommodate requests!

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