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Small landlords selling off isn't a great news after all

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Goingindrain · 15/10/2025 16:45

My landlord is a small landlord, just owns his house and the one where we live. He is a nice man and charges us below the market rate rent.
He is fed up of all the anti landlord rules and has decided to sell. It seems he had an offer from FTB and then a big corporation put in an offer 10k over and he's selling it off to them via the agents.
I am worried about the rent going up and it's not a great news for tenants.

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Reallynotsure25 · 21/10/2025 19:41

PrincessofWells · 21/10/2025 19:24

You are missing the point here. The issue isn't the rent it's the risk which has been increasing incrementally for LL in the PRS for some years. The new law, when implemented, hugely increases the risk of the investment to landlords.

I know of no landlords who would evict a tenant for no reason. The usual reasons using a s21 is arrears, persistent late rent payments, failure to properly heat and ventilate the property or/and not reporting maintenance issues promptly. All of these can be major issues and can threaten the value and condition of the property.

This! A good tenant who pays their rent on time and looks after the property is worth their weight in gold. Most landlords would rather keep this type of tenant than run the risk of finding a new nightmare tenant, never mind the costs associated with eviction. Private Equity landlords or corporate landlords may not feel the same when it comes to rent increases.

KeepPumping · 22/10/2025 00:10

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/10/2025 11:23

The sale of houses under right to buy isn't responsible for the entire housing shortage

Nobody's suggesting it is, @Winter2020, since issues rarely have only one root cause, but if government had somehow managed to magic up 2 million extra homes I'm pretty sure they'd have trumpeted it from here to kingdom come

So it's interesting that they still have no intention of addressing the 2 million which have been lost by making sure there are no more

They know there isn`t a shortage

https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/new-build-sales-fall-62-as-mortgage-market-changes-improve-access-for-buyers.html

New-build sales fall 62% as mortgage market changes improve access for buyers

Prices have increased 8.1% over the past 12 months, with the price of a typical new home now costing 30.5% more than existing properties.

https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/new-build-sales-fall-62-as-mortgage-market-changes-improve-access-for-buyers.html

KeepPumping · 22/10/2025 13:08

LeftyInstrument · 20/10/2025 16:20

To really improve fundamentally improve housing, the only way is to build massively more.

Regulation helps to an extent but also we need far more choice. And a proper backstop of social housing.

Not going to happen because it would drive down rents and house prices...

"Not going to happen because it would drive down rents and house prices..."

Exactly, there is already oversupply of basic flats/houses in many areas and the political/social winds have changed very drastically recently leading to a drop in demand for housing, the government are well aware of all this and the big corporates are interested in managed blocks not bailing out amateur landlords who can"t deal with legislation. I think a lot of the big corps will be re-thinking their landlord strategy, they won`t want to get caught out like they did with commercial property.

justasking111 · 22/10/2025 13:23

It's simple math that divorce has risen over the decades so you need two homes that accommodate the family. Mum in one three bed, dad in another three bed juggling the children.

How many part time bedrooms are there?

Then you have older couples and widows/widowers living in family homes because it's cheaper to have empty bedrooms than pay, solicitors, estate agent, stamp duty. In our cul de sac of 10 homes. There's 19 empty bedrooms.

Needlenardlenoo · 22/10/2025 13:30

Divorce rates have fallen.

But it's true that more people are living alone.

Thameslock · 22/10/2025 14:09

We have just sold our rental property, Gross income was about 14k p.ann. sounds great doesn't it. Take off agents fees legal fees tax (spending hours doing self assessment). spending needlessly to comply with stupid legislation. IE when first renting we had to change the consumer unit from metal to plastic as metal was an electrocution risk, cost £500. Roll on 5years had to change it back to metal

Thameslock · 22/10/2025 14:15

dont know why above post didn’t appear in full!

The missing bit…Final straw for me is upcoming tax rule that means I shall have to pay for commercial software to comply with Digital Tax system. Money now in building society, net interest is £1200 less than net rental income ,just not worth the worry and hassle that comes with being a landlord..

KeepPumping · 23/10/2025 13:00

Thameslock · 22/10/2025 14:15

dont know why above post didn’t appear in full!

The missing bit…Final straw for me is upcoming tax rule that means I shall have to pay for commercial software to comply with Digital Tax system. Money now in building society, net interest is £1200 less than net rental income ,just not worth the worry and hassle that comes with being a landlord..

How much does software like that cost can I ask?

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:33

Laralou991 · 16/10/2025 18:44

Why are people on here so resentful about others making money. She’s done well to save the money and probably help secure her future and retirement. Just because your own financial situation may not be as solid, doesn’t mean you should look badly or be rude to those in a better situation

It's because it's being funded by other "normal" people further down the chain, many of whom will never be able to buy their own homes because house prices have risen far faster than wage inflation for a few decades.

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:34

KeepPumping · 23/10/2025 13:00

How much does software like that cost can I ask?

A few business banks package such software for free for their business account customers. Some simple software can be as little as a tenner per month. So it's a pretty insignificant cost.

KeepPumping · 25/10/2025 15:20

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:33

It's because it's being funded by other "normal" people further down the chain, many of whom will never be able to buy their own homes because house prices have risen far faster than wage inflation for a few decades.

Almost a Ponzi scheme really?

KeepPumping · 25/10/2025 15:22

taxguru · 24/10/2025 14:34

A few business banks package such software for free for their business account customers. Some simple software can be as little as a tenner per month. So it's a pretty insignificant cost.

Thanks. Totally minimal cost then. Do you happen to know a good place on the internet to research business accounts?

GinPin2 · 25/10/2025 19:37

Rainingcatsanddogstoday · 21/10/2025 11:46

OP - I'm a small landlord. I have a tenant that has not paid for 7 months. All this time I'm paying the mortgage and the bills on the flat myself, so it's been a massive strain on our finances.

I am not able to get him out. I took him to court in July and until now I still haven't received any news from the bailiffs, courts are backlogged. In the meantime, my tenant is living freely in my flat, brought in 2 dogs (reported by my neighbours) which he not allowed to do, all protected by the law as I can't get into my flat, even though I got a Possession order issued by the County Court. It's literally INSANE!!

Once he is out, I'm selling the flat! It's really not worth it. Everyone is saying things are getting worse from Jan, as if it can be any worse than that.

Good for you, exactly what we did, far too much stress. We sold to an owner occupier , and had bought from an owner occupier in the first place, 10 years previously. But after 10 years of stress and 3 sets of troublesome tenants we stopped providing for renters. Such a happy day.

carchi · 26/10/2025 17:38

GinPin2 · 25/10/2025 19:37

Good for you, exactly what we did, far too much stress. We sold to an owner occupier , and had bought from an owner occupier in the first place, 10 years previously. But after 10 years of stress and 3 sets of troublesome tenants we stopped providing for renters. Such a happy day.

Also the council housing department where I live are actually telling tenants to stop paying rent and wait for the bailiffs because unless that happens they can't get any kind of emergency council accommodation. Obviously this saves the council's and government to provide housing. Just use and abuse the private landlords.

Dangitydang · 26/10/2025 18:50

carchi · 26/10/2025 17:38

Also the council housing department where I live are actually telling tenants to stop paying rent and wait for the bailiffs because unless that happens they can't get any kind of emergency council accommodation. Obviously this saves the council's and government to provide housing. Just use and abuse the private landlords.

I would think that not paying rent on purpose is making yourself intentionally homes and councils won't help?

user1497787065 · 27/10/2025 05:51

flopsyuk · 15/10/2025 17:57

He doesn't sound like a nice man at all. Getting upset and selling up because of new rules isn't the action of one. Being greedy and not selling to a FTB.

There are a few landlords i can see on Rightmove around me trying to sell with tenants but there is so much else for sale these aren't going anywhere. Especially flats. No sign of any big corporations buying around me. People don't tend to buy a property with a sitting tenant.

I wonder if he is telling you the truth? Or is it any isolated local thing maybe.

Being greedy? I can’t think of many people who wouldn’t take the 10k higher offer. Would you?

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:18

I would understand the situation if the same rules applied to owners as regards EPC requirements, annual gas safety checks, electrical certificates etc.
However, if the State insists on lots of extra regulation on the rental market but not the owner market, then essentially the renters bear the cost of that extra regulation. So they have to pay to be “protected” themselves. As it is already more expensive to rent, it is not really fair on them to have to bear these upfront costs. Landlords will always pass the costs on. Only rich people can afford to put up the capital expenditure required to make a house more energy efficient, for example. Every time you change your windows, install solar panels etc as an owner you know you won’t necessarily get the full cost back.
Poorer owners have to pay higher energy costs over a long time period instead. It is absurd to pass these costs on to tenants, especially if there is already a housing shortage and rental crisis.

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:30

I also agree that large commercial landlords would probably want whole buildings primarily, that can be managed more cost effectively. So more of a build to rent ethos from the get go, not buying up ex small time landlord houses and flats dotted around, unless it is already a large portfolio in a particular area, of a certain type.
Housing should be secure and fairly priced and I do agree that landlords should be in it long term and never evicting tenants who pay on time and look after the property. A fair compromise might have been to exclude landlords with just 1 or 2 properties from extra regulation? But to make them disclose their status when advertising property to rent. So renters can decide what type of landlord to go with. When we rented when young, we always chose a small time personable landlord who we had a good relationship with. Much preferred that format.

Katemax82 · 27/10/2025 07:05

Dangitydang · 26/10/2025 18:50

I would think that not paying rent on purpose is making yourself intentionally homes and councils won't help?

I think if you get evicted and refuse to leave but continue paying rent you wait for the bailiffs to turf you out so the council can help, not refuse to pay rent.

TeenagersAngst · 27/10/2025 13:49

Araminta1003 · 27/10/2025 06:18

I would understand the situation if the same rules applied to owners as regards EPC requirements, annual gas safety checks, electrical certificates etc.
However, if the State insists on lots of extra regulation on the rental market but not the owner market, then essentially the renters bear the cost of that extra regulation. So they have to pay to be “protected” themselves. As it is already more expensive to rent, it is not really fair on them to have to bear these upfront costs. Landlords will always pass the costs on. Only rich people can afford to put up the capital expenditure required to make a house more energy efficient, for example. Every time you change your windows, install solar panels etc as an owner you know you won’t necessarily get the full cost back.
Poorer owners have to pay higher energy costs over a long time period instead. It is absurd to pass these costs on to tenants, especially if there is already a housing shortage and rental crisis.

Agree. Also, social housing providers have been exempt from MEES although I think this is changing.

All homes, whether rented or owned should be subject to same requirements. In a healthy rental market, tenants would vote with their feet. That’s what used to happen.

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 14:33

Can"t see big corporations being interested in the sorts of random BTL that people were snapping up when the BTL craze was in full swing, many landlords will struggle to sell now as FTB are paying more for their mortgage debt and people don`t want to be landlords any more!

AlpineMuesli · 27/10/2025 14:57

Brighton council is buying houses from landlords.

www.theguardian.com/society/2025/oct/26/right-to-buy-reverse-brighton-tackling-social-housing-crisis

KeepPumping · 27/10/2025 15:13

AlpineMuesli · 27/10/2025 14:57

" Rents are well above average thanks in part to its fast train line to London, which makes it attractive to affluent City commuters."

So why would you sell your rental to the council?

Are the council paying over market value, meaning commercial property crisis part two and more councils going bust?

This has happened in other councils and it usually has a negative effect on prices for surrounding property.

JHound · 27/10/2025 15:31

Reallynotsure25 · 21/10/2025 19:41

This! A good tenant who pays their rent on time and looks after the property is worth their weight in gold. Most landlords would rather keep this type of tenant than run the risk of finding a new nightmare tenant, never mind the costs associated with eviction. Private Equity landlords or corporate landlords may not feel the same when it comes to rent increases.

There have been a number of stories (some high profile) of landlord serving notice on tenants simply to relist the property at a much higher rent.

hellowhaaat3632 · 27/10/2025 15:48

JHound · 27/10/2025 15:31

There have been a number of stories (some high profile) of landlord serving notice on tenants simply to relist the property at a much higher rent.

Yes, the estate agents actively encourage this, even when you're happy with your tenant and don't want to evict them. Sometimes it's necessary if eg you're operating at a loss.