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How do I deal with this?

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Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 12:02

Name changed, for reasons that will follow. Sorry in advance for the length of the post and thanks if you make it through!

I have had a lifelong difficult relationship with my sister. For context I'm the elder by 3 years but we also have a brother, 3 years older than me. We're middle aged now but all have young families. So this is a decades old issue and I have never been able to rectify it. I'm hoping someone may have some good advice as I'm all out of ideas.

I suspect DS has a personality disorder. I'm not qualified to say, she's never said she has and I wouldn't dream of suggesting it to her or anyone else IRL. My reasons for thinking this are that, in hindsight over 3 decades, I can see a pattern of behaviour that has reoccurred many times. The specific issues may have been different at different points, but whatever has been upsetting her, she will say very provocative and vile things to draw me (or others) into argument. This worked when younger as I didn't have my current perspective of many years of the behaviour under my belt. So I've definitely said and done things when younger that I'm not proud of during these arguments. I have apologised for them when I know I've been wrong.

However, over the years I have tried to change how I am in these situations, so for example I've tried to address the specific issue with her that she's been worried about calmly and from a place of wanting to find a resolution, to no avail (always more vile and provocative things are said and impossible demands made) I've worried alcohol intake was causing it and tried to steer her, and definitely myself in her company, away from alcohol, that hasn't worked. I've looked up on line how to help someone with resolving issues using techniques like LEAPS and vitaris box as start points for keeping things calm, it doesn't. I've sometimes nodded along to horrible things she's said about others to keep the peace only for those 'agreements' to be turned against me later, on occasion infront of other people. Things I've done, or her interpretations of things I've done, stretching back years, decades even, can suddenly be thrown in to the mix (even when they'd seemingly been resolved long ago) to illustrate what an awful person I am. Etc etc etc, it never gets better, it never gets different. No matter what I've tried.

Of course it's a cycle, so there will be pleasant times in between where she will gradually come back into my life for me to think things are OK, just for the kick-offs to rear up again. It's exhausting and I never, ever want to have these arguments (I don't actually argue anymore) although when younger if mentioned to parents it was seen as a 6 of one half a dozen of the other situation, which has left me questioning myself and my actions and my responsibility deeply over the years. Making light of it for my own sanity, I have joked that there's not a cafe, restaurant or bar in our city that she hasn't stormed out on me from. But it's not light or funny. It's soul-crushing, particularly the never-endingness of it. It's like an abusive ground hog day.

I hoped as we had children of our own things might shift, they haven't. She doesn't parent her child as I would, although I wouldn't say anything to her, that's individual choice. However it causes stress and difficulties in with interaction between our children and how to approach things with her about them if anything occurs. It's seen as criticism and screaming ensues rather than a conversation about the issue itself.

I know she has behaved in this way to others in the past, boyfriends, friends and colleagues. We had a mutual group of friends that finally imploded a few years ago because of her behaviour. I'd worked to save it on a couple of previous occassions, but this was the end. Noone (apart possibly from her DH who I've never talked to about it) has had the frequency and intensity of the outbursts aimed at them as I have. My brother lived abroad for many years and was so much older than her that he'd left home whilst she was still a child, so this dynamic didn't develop between them and although he's seen slight flashes of her rage he's not had the same experience as I have. I've touched on it with him. He's a good guy who I have a good relationship with. As with anyone decent if you see an odd flash of adult tantrum from a loved one you brush it off as we can all have bad days. I don't involve him or our parents as it's hard to see how that would help, although it makes it very frustrating for me to be the one it's almost always aimed at to a degree nobody else understands.

She has few friends left and at points I see her due to a (misplaced) sense of responsibility and because I feel sorry for her. Even when things don't kick off, I don't really enjoy her company any more. I find I'm dreading the meet up and walking on eggshells, watching what I say, all through. The only positive really is the sense of relief if it's over without a major rage. Outside of that we don't have many interests in common either. It sounds horrible to say, but she's become very dull. She's always bithching about people, is an eternal victim and is never accountable for her own behaviour, and that's a lot of what the conversation with her revolves around, it's very negative. I very rarely meet up socially with her now, outside of family events, but I did, against my better judgement last week.

She bought tickets for something for us, a seemingly lovely gesture, but also a fate acompli. I has reservations about it, but the time before we went out (in the spring, I don't often get out having a young child) was OK. A mutual friend was there then, who has seen and directly experienced my sister's rages over many years. That acted as a buffer. This time she said she wasn't inviting the friend as logistics would be difficult. This further raised my dread. There were collegues of hers out that night, people I also know. Everything was OK to start. We have relatives visiting soon and she's been contacting them regarding it. It came to the point where I offered to host as we've recently moved and have the room. It would take pressure off my parents who are now very elderly. It may be a last meet up like this for them, they are getting beyond travelling now. So all seemed set and the conversation was at this point when the peole we knew at the pub left. Almost the second they were out of view the mood changed. She started talking about our cousin, who will be visiting, and saying they bullied her (we're talking over 40 years ago here.) The relatives have always lived a distance away so they visited 3 times a year when we were kids. I do remember on a couple of occasions the cousin running away and hiding from DS. This is the bullying she is referring to. To the point that over 40 years later she is traumatised to the extent that she is screaming at me in a pub about it on a night out we'd had arranged for a couple of months. I kept calm and quiet until demanded to speak, I asked questions to try and see if we could find a way for her to deal with this trauma. Nothing worked. She brought my child into it, something she's done before and I've asked her not to. I steered things back, 'we're talking about how you feel, not my DC, so...what do you think would help you?'etc. It ended with her demanding that I call cousin 'a bitch' which I didn't.

She stormed off, then back to scream at me some more then off again. As I waited for a taxi outside she brought up various non-related things she considers I've done wrong to highlight that I'm an awful person. To explain name change here, one was that she found a previous user name of mine, searched it, found a post where I'd asked if I'd been in the wrong about a situation involving her and now screams at me for saying things 'publicly' about her and her child that are despicable. According to her. Whilst there is no nod to how odd it is to take someone's details nefariously and search out their posts. I don't want to drip feed but the details behind that would be another long post.

It ended with me saying I don't want to do this anymore. There's been no contact between us for a week. The arrangement with the relatives visiting with everyone coming to my home is in place, and had been before she kicked off about this new trauma of the cousin. So I, but nobody else in the family, am aware of the horrible things she's said and I now have the prospect of hosting an event I can't remove myself from if she kicks off, as it's in my house. DH tells me to cancel, do the pub lunch we'd usually do. Whilst I see the pros of that, it makes me seem like the flakey weirdo who's all welcoming then goes cold. If I go ahead and tell her not to come then there's how to explain it. She might turn up anyway. Or I have the inevitable stress, which I was happy to shoulder, of the weekend of hosting but compounded by the stress of knowing what she's said and managing her (how??!) on the day. She's such a shithouse she'd probably never say anything on the day, but it's been said to me and I'm left feeling like this. What would you do? I mean really, if it were you and the family relationships involved are complicated and intertwined? I know NC is an option but so hard with elderly parents. I suppose I want to get to a point where I'm not feeling this awful and conflicted a week after one of her rages. But knowing I have to navigate the family meet up in the not so distant future makes it more difficult on this occasion. What to do specifically regarding the upcoming relatives visiting and then beyond? Sorry for outsourcing my issues! But objective perspectives can bring in things I've never considered and could be really helpful.

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nomas · 10/10/2025 12:11

YANBU. I would go very low contact. I would suck up this gathering at your house. Hopefully your sister doesn't show. If she does show, be icily polite and keep your distance. Remember, she will be looking to make you look like the 'bitch'.

After this, do not invite her to your home again or go out with her ever again.

If you see her at your parents, be icily polite.

You already know how to grey rock her, so I would just stick to that strategy.

Itsseweasy · 10/10/2025 12:15

Presumably the personality disorder you suspect is narcissism? Because it’s very clear from your description of your sister and her actions that it’s what she is/has.
These people don’t change, there’s a cycle where they treat you like shit and then hoover you back in with gifts or empty promises until the cycle starts over again.
The question is, why are you trying to fix someone who can never (ever) be fixed?
Yes she’s your sister but she sounds like a nasty bully. What benefit is there to keeping her in your life?
Cancel the thing at your place and meet up elsewhere. You are making excuses for why this is hard to do - why? Do you want this drama to continue?
You need boundaries, therapy, self esteem, and to stop giving a shit about someone who couldn’t care less about you.
Read about what a narcissist is and how they see the world. Genuinely, it’s scary stuff.
She is incapable of being the sister you hope (and deserve) to have, so turn your attention back to yourself and your own actions and focus on who you can help - yourself, not her.

Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 12:24

Itsseweasy · 10/10/2025 12:15

Presumably the personality disorder you suspect is narcissism? Because it’s very clear from your description of your sister and her actions that it’s what she is/has.
These people don’t change, there’s a cycle where they treat you like shit and then hoover you back in with gifts or empty promises until the cycle starts over again.
The question is, why are you trying to fix someone who can never (ever) be fixed?
Yes she’s your sister but she sounds like a nasty bully. What benefit is there to keeping her in your life?
Cancel the thing at your place and meet up elsewhere. You are making excuses for why this is hard to do - why? Do you want this drama to continue?
You need boundaries, therapy, self esteem, and to stop giving a shit about someone who couldn’t care less about you.
Read about what a narcissist is and how they see the world. Genuinely, it’s scary stuff.
She is incapable of being the sister you hope (and deserve) to have, so turn your attention back to yourself and your own actions and focus on who you can help - yourself, not her.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, logically I've known for years I can't change things but emotionally I've not got there, if that makes sense?

It's actually BPD I'd had on my radar for years. Which if it ia, although I could no more solve her problems, the thought that she may be suffering intensely has prevented me from cutting her off. It makes me feel horrible to think of. But it may not be that, I'm in no position to diagnose. I can only go with the behaviour and the responses I get to efforts to help. Which are a never ending cycle of stress.

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PizzaPowder · 10/10/2025 12:24

She sounds exhausting. Seriously, you just need to cut her out of your life.

She's been hurting you for far too long.

PinkyFlamingo · 10/10/2025 12:26

Seriously you should have cut contact a long long time ago for your own mental health. No excuses. Why have you felt the need to continue seeing this awful woman just because she's your sister? What has happened to you in your life that you have encouraged this behaviour by continuing to try and have a relationship with someone who tells you all the time what an awful person you are?

mbosnz · 10/10/2025 12:30

I would cancel hosting the upcoming event, due to 'unforeseen circumstances'. No other explanation given. There will be plenty that 'know' given their own experiences of your sister. Those that don't - it really doesn't matter. Don't worry if 'some people' 'might' think you are flaky. This is far less important than your wellbeing and peace of mind, your right and responsibility to set boundaries that are safe and healthy for you and your family.

Going forward, I'd only be in contact with my sister when I had to, for family functions. I'd not drink at them, myself. And the moment my sister kicked off, or started to have a go at me, whether about myself or someone else, I'd just very calmly state, 'right, we've got to that point in the day/evening, have we? Time for me to go.' And leave.

You do not owe her an audience. You do not owe her time and energy seeking to solve/make her feel better about matters decades in the past, or otherwise, real, or imaginary.

DoubtfulCat · 10/10/2025 12:30

For the family weekend, could you still host but all go out for Sunday lunch? Unless she’ll be round yours at other times over the weekend.
either that or would your DH volunteer to ‘catch’ norovirus or something, so you have a legitimate excuse not to host and only to dip into the social bits? Then going forward just decline everything with your sister, grey rock if you are both at parents’ house etc. Minimise her contact with/access to you.

Zempy · 10/10/2025 12:34

You need to go NC 💐

Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 12:35

PinkyFlamingo · 10/10/2025 12:26

Seriously you should have cut contact a long long time ago for your own mental health. No excuses. Why have you felt the need to continue seeing this awful woman just because she's your sister? What has happened to you in your life that you have encouraged this behaviour by continuing to try and have a relationship with someone who tells you all the time what an awful person you are?

Family, I suppose. There's the idea of duty and obligation, misplaced as that may be. And also when you genuinely care for someone, even when they've been awful, it's hard to cut them off.

There's many things to unpick, especially when this has been your default for so long. Also the great big, 'I'm not having any contact any more' to everyone seems so dramatic. It would be so hard to not attend family things, of which there are number, without it being a noticeable issue.

I've had at the back of my mind for a long time that when our parents go, that will be it, completely no contact. But it's horrible and negative to even have to think about it like that.

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Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 12:36

mbosnz · 10/10/2025 12:30

I would cancel hosting the upcoming event, due to 'unforeseen circumstances'. No other explanation given. There will be plenty that 'know' given their own experiences of your sister. Those that don't - it really doesn't matter. Don't worry if 'some people' 'might' think you are flaky. This is far less important than your wellbeing and peace of mind, your right and responsibility to set boundaries that are safe and healthy for you and your family.

Going forward, I'd only be in contact with my sister when I had to, for family functions. I'd not drink at them, myself. And the moment my sister kicked off, or started to have a go at me, whether about myself or someone else, I'd just very calmly state, 'right, we've got to that point in the day/evening, have we? Time for me to go.' And leave.

You do not owe her an audience. You do not owe her time and energy seeking to solve/make her feel better about matters decades in the past, or otherwise, real, or imaginary.

This is really helpful, thanks.

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NamechangeNightNurse · 10/10/2025 12:46

I could have written this Trigger warning

Sounds like a PD , however this term is being questioned as it's often trauma related.

Aside from that you sound codependent/ trauma bonded which is common in toxic families.
You don't need to do the " work " or understand her, you just need to get away.

If it is NPD( rare and rarely diagnosed) then she will never change
Personally I walked away when she threatened to k---- me
My crime?
I said No for the first time

I discovered later that she had a long history of drug and alcohol abuse and violence towards her "friends"

Kimura · 10/10/2025 12:47

Your sister is a C U Next Tuesday. No need for armchair diagnosis.

Tell her, or cut her off. Or both. She can't scream and shout at her if you don't let her. She's not going to change. This will only continue to be a problem for as long as you tolerate it.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 10/10/2025 12:48

Just lie. 'We're having a problem with our drains, so sorry! We've booked a table at x place' moving forward, go very low contact. You really don't need to put up with this.

Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 13:00

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 10/10/2025 12:48

Just lie. 'We're having a problem with our drains, so sorry! We've booked a table at x place' moving forward, go very low contact. You really don't need to put up with this.

Thanks, that's exactly the sort of white lie I need to use (we do have a drain issue but not that bad!). Cancelling with the truth feels too dramatic and damaging.

This is making me feel lighter.

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FetchezLaVache · 10/10/2025 13:07

You have expended so much effort over the years on trying to understand, support, assist, cure and appease your sister. It's time to accept that none of it has worked. You don't owe her a punchbag because you happen to have the same parents. Time to start withdrawing and grey rock-ing, I think.

Wordsmithery · 10/10/2025 13:22

Cancel the family do at yours. Just say you're unable to host and would like to revert to what you normally do with the relatives (pub or whatever).

Go LC with your sister (maybe NC once your parents are gone). You don't need to explain. If you still want to see the kids (and they could do with a stable aunt figure, I think) then do so on your terms, and without her - so you say where and when, you do the picking up and dropping off etc. - so you're in control. Never ever invite her to your house. If you have to go to hers ever, have a get-out option for if things kick off.

You've done everything you can. Now it's time to look after yourself.

Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 13:35

Wordsmithery · 10/10/2025 13:22

Cancel the family do at yours. Just say you're unable to host and would like to revert to what you normally do with the relatives (pub or whatever).

Go LC with your sister (maybe NC once your parents are gone). You don't need to explain. If you still want to see the kids (and they could do with a stable aunt figure, I think) then do so on your terms, and without her - so you say where and when, you do the picking up and dropping off etc. - so you're in control. Never ever invite her to your house. If you have to go to hers ever, have a get-out option for if things kick off.

You've done everything you can. Now it's time to look after yourself.

Thanks for your reply. That's the conclusion I've been coming to. I have my own wellbeing and family to think of.

With regards to DN, they are also hard work! Funnily enough the MN post DS refers to, to shame me, was asking about DN & DS behaviour on such family outtings. At age 7 they will run at full speed around the pub and are not told to stop by parents. For obvious reasons I don't take on the role to stop them.

Part of the reason for suggesting my home this time was to mitigate the stress of that, but at this point I'm back to the table at the pub idea as now it's the lesser of 2 stresses. This probably makes me hugely identifiable to the stalker she is, but as she's already screaming at me about that issue, so be it.

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ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 10/10/2025 13:44

You can’t change her, only she can do that, and she doesn’t appear to want to. It’s time to stop caring whether or not you upset, she clearly doesn’t care if she upsets you.

I wouldn’t cancel the meal, but I wouldn’t make any future plans like this. On the day I’d be super busy playing host, rushing about getting everyone drinks etc, and avoiding getting drawn into a conversation with her at all.

Moving forward, just keep saying no to plans. If you’re brave enough then say you’ve had enough of her shouting at you and storming off. Stick to your guns.

NamechangeNightNurse · 10/10/2025 13:49

Ivegotanewname · 10/10/2025 13:35

Thanks for your reply. That's the conclusion I've been coming to. I have my own wellbeing and family to think of.

With regards to DN, they are also hard work! Funnily enough the MN post DS refers to, to shame me, was asking about DN & DS behaviour on such family outtings. At age 7 they will run at full speed around the pub and are not told to stop by parents. For obvious reasons I don't take on the role to stop them.

Part of the reason for suggesting my home this time was to mitigate the stress of that, but at this point I'm back to the table at the pub idea as now it's the lesser of 2 stresses. This probably makes me hugely identifiable to the stalker she is, but as she's already screaming at me about that issue, so be it.

When I had therapy, one of the management strategies if I were to go LC was always to meet in public places

I think so that abusive behaviours would be limited and witnessed.

Should they occur, the advice was to silently leave.

Thepeopleversuswork · 10/10/2025 13:57

I've been in similar situations (with friends as opposed to family members) and I understand how difficult this is and how "unnatural" it can feel to put barriers in place.

But you really do have to put yourself first. It sounds as if you have spent years if not decades trying to find strategies to cope with this and essentially they don't work. She brings nothing positive to your life and just drains you of your life force.

You don't have to do some big dramatic "flounce" but I think you can go very low contact, as others have indicated. If there's some big reckoning and she confronts you you just have to shut it down. Enough is enough.

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