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Teacher lunch hour!

366 replies

everychildmatters · 10/10/2025 00:10

First off, I am glad I left primary teaching last year after 20 years in; things are only getting worse. I feel for the colleagues I left behind.
It is now becoming a common expectation that, for many different reasons, teachers are now being expected to supervise children over the lunch hour.
I used to avoid this by taking the time to which I was entitled but in order to do this I had to physically leave the building - go for a walk etc. In reality of course this was only for about half an hour or so as I wanted to be back in time to prepare my afternoon lessons.
AIBU to think teachers should be entitled to a lunch break?!!

OP posts:
Parker231 · 11/10/2025 13:59

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 13:51

Free schools have much more freedom to operate in creative and flexible ways that benefit students.

Union membership is also much lower at free schools.

Regardless, a free schools teachers contract must align with the national School Teachers' Pay and Conditions Document and other relevant legislation. They are not required to clean, provide any level of catering or administration duties.

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 14:01

hopspot · 11/10/2025 13:56

Ok I’ll bite. Where are the children when teachers are heating, serving and washing up?

All teachers are flexibly timetabled across the day, so it may be a case of period 1- year 7, period 2- year 11, period 3- help prepare lunch.

hopspot · 11/10/2025 14:03

So they could be teaching students but instead are in the kitchen? How is that any way good practice?

ClawsandEffect · 11/10/2025 14:04

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 14:01

All teachers are flexibly timetabled across the day, so it may be a case of period 1- year 7, period 2- year 11, period 3- help prepare lunch.

I think you should get in the kitchen and offer unpaid services. And after you've 'heated up', cleaned up, pop over to the classrooms and vacuum, wipe tables and disinfect.

You're all for unpaid extra work. Put your lack of money where your mouth is.

The free school in my city lasted about 3 years and then closed. It's only a matter of time.

Parker231 · 11/10/2025 14:21

hopspot · 11/10/2025 14:03

So they could be teaching students but instead are in the kitchen? How is that any way good practice?

Ignore the poster - shes making it up - schools, free schools or not, don’t operate the way she has dreamt up.

suburburban · 11/10/2025 14:21

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 09:20

I don’t think anyone would argue that teachers shouldn’t be allowed to run to the toilet or have a quick bite.

However, the core school day is relatively short, so I do think it’s reasonable that teacher time should be fully focused on students during this time.

Yes but by the sounds of it the teachers day is much longer

they need at least 30 mins break

BoredZelda · 11/10/2025 14:42

This is what happens when local authorities cut ASNA hours and nobody, parents, teachers etc do anything to stop it because they think it won’t affect them / their kids. Since my daughter started primary in 2014, numbers have been halved in our area. And now, guess what? Parents and teachers are complaining because, there are fewer resources in school for things like school plays, golden time, lunchtime groups, sports days, assemblies, playtime and medical room cover. Who do you think used to do all that stuff? The ASNA staff. They were the backbone of the school but nobody noticed or cared. They thought cutting the hours would just mean that those “other” kids would struggle and that was ok because their kids didn’t need ASNA. Now the hours available are so short that these staff only have time to support disabled kids, and actually don’t have enough hours to do that.

Every year when these cuts were proposed, I tried to engage parents and teachers. Nobody ever seemed to think they needed to do anything. And yet our council suggests cutting the breakfast clubs that only run for 30 minutes in the morning (which my daughter couldn’t use because there were not support staff available) and there was a riot, parents were protesting. They wanted to do half day Fridays (which every LA around us does)and the world went mad, big discussions, meetings, consultations, protests. Now they are cutting ASN spaces instead and it is left to us parents of disabled kids to fight for it.

The last round of school strikes here, we had teachers telling us it wasn’t about money, it was about a lack of support, they were fighting for ASNAs too. They got their pay rise, went back to work, ASN was cut because there LA had less money to spend, having had to increase their teacher salary budget.

I have some sympathy for teachers. It isn’t an easy job, I couldn’t do it. But pay and conditions have improved over the years. Protected teaching time is way better than it used to be but there are other challenges that make the job harder than ever before. Most of those challenges could be solved by providing more additional support staff for the kids who need it. Until teachers wake up and down tools specifically for that reason and don’t return until it’s solved, we will just keep throwing more money at teacher salaries in the hope they don’t quit.

I’m not saying teachers don’t deserve to be well paid. They do. They have a really important job. They should be paid more and given proper break times, but until we value ASN staff, the kids are the ones who really suffer.

BoredZelda · 11/10/2025 14:51

suburburban · 11/10/2025 14:21

Yes but by the sounds of it the teachers day is much longer

they need at least 30 mins break

I keep hearing this. And for sure there may be some instances where that happens. But when I pass the primary school at the top of our road at 8am, the staff car park, it’s largely empty. When I pass it at 6pm, it’s largely empty. In the middle of the day it is full. Many 9-5 professions see staff working 8-6.

I don’t think anyone should regularly work outwith their working hours, I think teachers should be able to do an 8.30-5.00 with proper breaks. I think they shouldn’t have to work in their holidays. It’s a really tough job. But the insistence that all teachers are regularly working many, many hours more than anyone else just doesn’t seem to be true, at least not in my little corner of the world.

Parker231 · 11/10/2025 15:10

BoredZelda · 11/10/2025 14:51

I keep hearing this. And for sure there may be some instances where that happens. But when I pass the primary school at the top of our road at 8am, the staff car park, it’s largely empty. When I pass it at 6pm, it’s largely empty. In the middle of the day it is full. Many 9-5 professions see staff working 8-6.

I don’t think anyone should regularly work outwith their working hours, I think teachers should be able to do an 8.30-5.00 with proper breaks. I think they shouldn’t have to work in their holidays. It’s a really tough job. But the insistence that all teachers are regularly working many, many hours more than anyone else just doesn’t seem to be true, at least not in my little corner of the world.

My teacher friends leave school as soon as the classes are let out as they have their own children to collect. They work in the evenings and weekends when their children are in bed

MagicLoop · 11/10/2025 15:25

BoredZelda · 11/10/2025 14:51

I keep hearing this. And for sure there may be some instances where that happens. But when I pass the primary school at the top of our road at 8am, the staff car park, it’s largely empty. When I pass it at 6pm, it’s largely empty. In the middle of the day it is full. Many 9-5 professions see staff working 8-6.

I don’t think anyone should regularly work outwith their working hours, I think teachers should be able to do an 8.30-5.00 with proper breaks. I think they shouldn’t have to work in their holidays. It’s a really tough job. But the insistence that all teachers are regularly working many, many hours more than anyone else just doesn’t seem to be true, at least not in my little corner of the world.

Teachers shouldn't have to be in school outside of 8a.m. to end of school (except for meetings and parents' evenings) but if they are not at school it doesn't mean they are not working. I don't know any teachers who don't do hours and hours of work at home every week.

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 15:30

MagicLoop · 11/10/2025 15:25

Teachers shouldn't have to be in school outside of 8a.m. to end of school (except for meetings and parents' evenings) but if they are not at school it doesn't mean they are not working. I don't know any teachers who don't do hours and hours of work at home every week.

DH believes that compartmentalising work and home is better for work-life balance and mental health. There is also added benefit from collaboration with other teachers.

He therefore requires that all work such as marking and preparation is carried out at school rather than home.

Parker231 · 11/10/2025 15:43

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 15:30

DH believes that compartmentalising work and home is better for work-life balance and mental health. There is also added benefit from collaboration with other teachers.

He therefore requires that all work such as marking and preparation is carried out at school rather than home.

Luckily for teachers your DH doesn’t get to make those decisions. It’s up to the individual teacher how they plan their after school hours. Thankfully much marking is now electronic so less time consuming.

Sismamsspam · 11/10/2025 16:34

Octoberaddsagale · 10/10/2025 00:44

Weren’t there strikes about this in the 1980s? For a while when DS1 was first at school I had to bring him home for lunch and take him back afterwards. This meant four round trips in about six hours, which wasn’t easy with newborn DS2. It wasn’t a settling-in thing.

A neighbour/friend who worked at a secondary school used to go home at lunchtime, bringing several colleagues with him as they also wanted to leave the site.

I can’t find any reference to exactly this online, so maybe I’m misremembering. Or, perhaps it was a local thing.

yes this happened. Not in my memory, but my mum was a teacher and said it happened. I think it started much earlier than 80s though. My mum said it happened when she first qualified probs in early 70s.

hopspot · 11/10/2025 16:48

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 15:30

DH believes that compartmentalising work and home is better for work-life balance and mental health. There is also added benefit from collaboration with other teachers.

He therefore requires that all work such as marking and preparation is carried out at school rather than home.

I work best at home for things like planning and report writing. Luckily my head teacher trusts me as a professional to decide what’s best for me and therefore my students.

supersop60 · 11/10/2025 18:24

I’m a peripatetic music teacher so I visit several schools. At one of the high schools, the teachers are paid separately for lunch time and bus supervision, although they are expected to do one per week for 30 mins.

Groovee · 11/10/2025 19:06

In the school I work in
Teachers get 40 minutes lunch as the PSAs(TA) cover the lunches. PSAs and EYPs get 30 minutes. I have often told my head off for not making sure she takes her lunch.

MagicLoop · 11/10/2025 19:09

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 15:30

DH believes that compartmentalising work and home is better for work-life balance and mental health. There is also added benefit from collaboration with other teachers.

He therefore requires that all work such as marking and preparation is carried out at school rather than home.

That's the least believable thing you've posted so far (and that's saying something). No Headteacher can control how teachers fill their time at home. Besides, the teaching workload would make it impossible for most full-time teachers to complete all their planning and marking during school opening hours.

MagicLoop · 11/10/2025 19:10

Parker231 · 11/10/2025 15:43

Luckily for teachers your DH doesn’t get to make those decisions. It’s up to the individual teacher how they plan their after school hours. Thankfully much marking is now electronic so less time consuming.

Virtually none of my marking is electronic.

hopspot · 11/10/2025 19:26

MagicLoop · 11/10/2025 19:09

That's the least believable thing you've posted so far (and that's saying something). No Headteacher can control how teachers fill their time at home. Besides, the teaching workload would make it impossible for most full-time teachers to complete all their planning and marking during school opening hours.

I agree. Our headteacher can’t wait to get us out the door at night so he can save electricity and the wages of the premises staff! If we work at home we’re using our own!

MrsHamlet · 11/10/2025 19:51

BeachLife2 · 10/10/2025 16:19

No- the U.K.

DH believes that his budget should be spent on teaching and learning, rather than ancillary staff.

There is no reason why teachers can’t give their classroom a quick clean or heat up lunch rather than having to employ expensive staff for these tasks.

Your husband is either made up or a terrible head.

Hercisback1 · 11/10/2025 19:56

BeachLife2 · 10/10/2025 18:00

Teachers must carry out any reasonable instruction from the headteacher. That can absolutely include ancillary tasks if the head wishes.

Paying a teachers wage to clean is ridiculous.

What school does your H work at?

Hercisback1 · 11/10/2025 19:58

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 15:30

DH believes that compartmentalising work and home is better for work-life balance and mental health. There is also added benefit from collaboration with other teachers.

He therefore requires that all work such as marking and preparation is carried out at school rather than home.

Bahaha sod that.

Eatsleepparentteachrepeat · 11/10/2025 20:00

SLT, the ones who are paid to lead the school!

MrsHamlet · 11/10/2025 20:03

BeachLife2 · 11/10/2025 09:20

I don’t think anyone would argue that teachers shouldn’t be allowed to run to the toilet or have a quick bite.

However, the core school day is relatively short, so I do think it’s reasonable that teacher time should be fully focused on students during this time.

Luckily, employment law says otherwise.

jolo252 · 11/10/2025 20:13

The school I worked in they got management points for supervising breakfast. Not bad to be paid to eat and occasionally yell at a child.

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