The global spread of radical Islamic groups

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The Roman Empire
The British Empire
The Ottoman Empire
Just to name a few in the past.

The world continues to change and the growing rise of radical Islamic groups throughout the world might be the next empire. What do you think. There is plenty of evidence to show that radical Islamic groups are spreading. There are so many conflicts going on (much that never reaches main news).

The rise of terrorism in Africa. The rise in terrorist incidents and prevented terrorist incidents in Europe. Why is terrorism in the world becoming such a huge threat?

This is meant to be a actual question. Most people of all colours/faiths/cultures are peaceful and want nothing to do with terrorism. However, there is a power struggle in many countries, Sudan, Yemen, Lebanon. I wish everyone could live alongside each other, so how do we try to get along more?

The civil war in Sudan

As the civil war enters its third year, Sudan’s two warring factions remain locked in a deadly power struggle. Death toll estimates vary widely, with the former U.S. envoy for Sudan suggesting as many as one hundred and fifty thousand people have been killed since the conflict began on April 15, 2023. More than fourteen million have been displaced, giving rise to the worst displacement crisis in the world. Nearly three million displaced Sudanese have fled to unstable areas in Chad, Ethiopia, and South Sudan, overrunning refugee camps. The UN continues to plead for more support as more than thirty million need humanitarian assistance, and deteriorating food security risks are triggering the “world’s largest hunger crisis.”

Meanwhile, mediation efforts have failed to produce results as the leaders of the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and Rapid Support Forces (RSF) refuse to halt their violence, and regional and international actors have taken sides in the war. As conditions deteriorate, the World Food Programme’s Carl Skau warned, “we are running out of time.”
Background

This alone 150,000 estimated killed in a bit over 2 years. (since April 2023)

4 million displaced people.

More than 30 million needing humanitarian assistance - the world's largest hunger crisis.

I realise that most of this is not interesting to people here or in Westernised countries. However, the impact will gradually be seen (is already being seen) throughout a large part of the world. As I mentioned our children and grandchildren will have the effects of this to deal with. It's a growing situation and incredibly sad for the innocents caught up in it.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/barcelona-agreement-treaty-on-growth-of-islamism/

No, it's just called the Barcelona Agreement. It's not actually about Barcelona.

Really interesting op! This is my job - so I’m a Humanitarian worker who spends my time designing and implementing emergency and development programmes in the Middle East.

I’m currently between Gaza / Jordan, also in and out of Yemen frequently and spent years between Syria and Iraq running reintegration programming for families detained in Al Hol as either associates or perceived associates of ISIS.

Something I am seeing along with a lot of colleagues in the field is an overall shift towards conservatism which often goes hand in hand with overall religious extremism, associated with different religious beliefs.

Which from a theoretical perspective is quite interesting as a lot of, for example, European countries (including my own as I’m dual national) have had a shift to more right wing conservative governments over the last few years - perhaps in response to those countries fear of extremism, or for a range of other factors - however one of the I suppose unintended consequences is this also fuels different types of extremism which can lead to a bit of a cycle. - which I think is what we do see in lots of conflicts and regions globally.

I'm trying to think of any point in history where it's been deemed acceptable for this to happen to a country or region and the inhabitants were expected just to get on with it. It's human nature to defend your territory from incomers who may attack you and take resources etc. Obviously we lost against the Norsemen, Romans and Normans, but I'm assuming we didn't facilitate them coming here. For tens of thousands of years man has been keeping his territory defended, even if they lost. Fat lot of good the modern era is doing us. The country has no money for public services yet can find money for hotels? Is this from the magic hotel money tree?

Absolutely this!

I could mention how the past ten years have changed my home country for the worse, but I’ll be accused of racism (Islam is not a race), xenophobia, bigotry etc

The other day I read an article that stated that the biggest threat to Jewish people in Germany does not come from the far right, but from the Islamic quarters. And the far left, their useful idiots.

@RealDiscussionNotHateYou do know there are other religions in Lebanon other than Sunni and Shia? There’s Druze, Maronite Christians, Greek Orthodox Christians, and Protestants. And according to a recent poll 68% of the population support Hisbollah. So you might not have them on your Christmas list but by golly I’ll bet you a heck of a lot of Lebanese do.

Exactly this.

Thank you for replying. The subject doesn't gain much interest unfortunately. If it was Israel versus Hamas, the thread would fill. Other conflicts, terrorism or humanitarian crisis not so interesting. Its a looming problem and the head in the sand approach wont work forever.

You sound like you know a lot about it. I wish more was done to help the many victims of extremists. I'm learning and gradually reading more on the global threats.

Thank you. I do realise there are a lot more ethnicities and religions in the area, i was noting the majority ones, sadly some of the minority ones are victims of the extremists uprising.

Placemarking
I'm surprised this hasn't been deleted.
Great thread

So foolish to let all these fighting age men in with nothing to do all day and those useful idiots thinking they are going to one day work and be productive members of British society

I’ve been reflecting on how hard it is to talk openly about the impact of extremism and certain cultural practices without being labelled as intolerant or racist. It feels like we’ve reached a point where even raising concerns is seen as offensive, and that worries me.

I’m specifically thinking about Islamic extremism, not Islam as a whole, but the radical ideologies that promote violence and control. These beliefs are incompatible with a free, liberal society, and yet we often shy away from discussing them. I understand that most Muslims do not subscribe to these views, but it’s also true that pockets of extremism exist, sometimes quietly, in homes and places of worship across the UK.

I’ve spoken with Muslim women who’ve shared experiences of control, abuse, and inequality, things they’ve grown up with and learned to accept. It’s heartbreaking. These issues don’t just exist in far-off training camps; they can be embedded in everyday life, and we need to be able to talk about that without fear of being shut down.

I believe in equality, but that also means acknowledging when certain practices or beliefs undermine it. We can’t tackle extremism or harmful cultural norms if we’re too afraid to name them. Integration only works when there’s mutual respect and shared values, and when we’re honest about what isn’t working.

Thank you. Its doesn't currently get much interest though. Its easier to stick fingers in ears and ignore growing problems or concentrate on the conflicts that have more publicly and followers.

Indeed it is tough to tackle problems when some chose the easy you're racist/islamophobic response. Its not its a problem that faces the majority of peace loving people of all religions, cultures and countries. I see it a bit like the grooming gangs, swept under the carpet as racist, until, the problem was so huge that it wasn't possible to just ignore anymore. That will come with this when a critical point of radicalised individuals is reached.

There are 44K people on the MI5 watch list of which 90 percent are islamic terrorists. IMO we are beyond the critical point.

Good thread - the gaslighting that goes in those with power is infuriating.

Meant to add these figures are from around 5 years ago so likely much higher.

The Muslim brotherhood and affiliates have been banned from the UEA because they are deemed too radical, yet the UK provides a safe haven for them. The government's top priority is to be seen to be politically correct and downplay the huge problem we have with islamic terrorism. All this to protect their huge Muslim voter base as well as the white progressive types. The UK's tolerance for such is an absolute travesty.

This. It's awful and hence the call for more for deradicalised programmes. That's a lot of people to watch. When they see calls to 'Globalise the Intifada ' some will take action. I urge people caution with what they say.

If you listen to BBC world service for a bit it’s clear the extremist threat you’ve listed here is active. If you just hear narratives here it’s downplayed, dismissed or worse. Why is that?

Im not sure why people downplay or are dismissive or worse, perhaps head in the sand, assume it doesn't concern them or will affect them in any way. Or may supporting the 'struggle ' to bring extremist ideology here, sense of hatred for the west.... mix I imagine.. any other reasons you can add?

We had people marching on the streets - shock horror -all Tommy Robinson racists according to the Gov and some of the press.
That followed much publicity about ‘racists’ outside hotels and lots of footage of men coming on boats.
Now miraculously it appears No one is coming on boats and everyone happy about hotels.
Can only assume the Gov have put pressure on the media to stop showing it cos I could bet the boats are still arriving thick and fast. And of course to clear the hotels the quickest thing is to just give everyone residency which I’m sure is what they’re doing.