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Dog attacks still increasing - is it time to bring back proper licensing?

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NewHome2026 · 08/10/2025 11:14

Article in the BBC this morning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvy2yyv8mo

If it were me I would make it like a driving license, you have to pass a test and you get points if you violate the rules. Too many points and your dog is taken away.

The XL Bully ban was too soft and ineffective - if anyone could get an exemption, what is the point of it? I would say that they should have all been destroyed but i don’t think that stops the bigger problem of people owning inappropriate animals for their lifestyle or experience…and inventing a new muscly status dog. Nobody needs a dog bred for fighting so playing this game of whack-a-mole is pointless.

Montage image showing an XL bully dog and a demonstration by those opposing a ban on the breed

Why dog attacks are still rising - even after the XL bully ban

With close to 32,000 dog attacks recorded in England and Wales last year, is there a better solution?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvy2yyv8mo

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DriveVerySlowlyPastNumber23IWantThemToSeeMyHat · 06/11/2025 06:32

Rosenelle40 · 05/11/2025 22:25

No one has got back to me about a shopping incident where I faced this and took video - why I was so stressed was not my own safety but 2.50 pm at the side of a school - about to let children out on this kind of horror. I am a dog keeper - I have always had dogs, spaniels and russel mix breeds so do not think that in 50 odd years I have no idea about dog ownership - my pups are registered with a vet and insured ..these people are lethal and care not about the 'normal' side of our lives just trying to get through a day. I apologise for anyone who thinks this is distasteful - I am sick to the stomach just thinking daily 6 weeks on.

@Rosenelle40 Gosh! No wonder you're distressed - absolutely horrific! This is one of my biggest fears 😔

What was the outcome?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 06/11/2025 07:01

smallglassbottle · 08/10/2025 14:24

The police no longer investigate crime in this country, so who would police it? Criminals are already getting away with drug dealing, people trafficking, shoplifting, money laundering to name a few crimes. A loose dog isn't going to suddenly have plod investigating and inspecting licences. It's getting like the wild west here now.

Local councils love a bit of power; look at how they spy on and stalk parents they believe are playing the education system. I suggest giving local councils the power and the income, which can be spent on local serves. Watch compliance rates rise!

I think someone posted up-thread that there are around 10 million dogs in the UK. A £250 a year licence fee would raise £2.5 billion. Add a 25% council tax surcharge for those that have a dog. Council tax raises around £50 billion a year, so you’ve got another £12.5 billion - a total of £15 billion to spend on local serves. Now, at those levels I’m sure dog ownership would fall, but even if it only raises £5 or £10 billion local serves could be materially improved.

Cost-wise, there are 350 odd councils, so say 6 new compliance officers per council. Make that 2,000 in total (many of whom are probably all ready employed by the council doing non value add work) and assume £50k total cost per year to employ is only £100m staff costs. Even if we double that, to allow for offices and vans, and double again for inefficient council management, that’s £400 million cost to collect at least £5 billion :)

MO0N · 06/11/2025 11:54

@Rosenelle40
The photo is horrifying, no wonder you are traumatised. Do you know what happened to the man? Did he lose his arm?
In my local area there is a couple in their 30s /40s who own one of these vile creatures, they walk it through local alleyways which I now avoid because I don't want to be in a confined space with it. I see it on routes that I regularly walk and now I am always scanning ahead so that I can cross the road as soon as I see it.
We should not have to tolerate the risk posed by these dangerous animals just because people like to keep them as a hobby.

YeOldeGreyhound · 06/11/2025 14:15

outerspacepotato · 06/11/2025 01:49

Because a coloured tag can be seen at more of a distance than having to get right up to the dog to see what year is on the tag.

Who needs to see it? The public? Why?

MO0N · 07/11/2025 11:41

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew4zwdw5gwo
7 November 2025, 10:44 GMT
Two people have been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control after a nine-month-old baby boy was killed in an attack by an XL bully in south-east Wales.
Gwent Police and paramedics went to an address in Crossway, Rogiet, near Caldicot, Monmouthshire, on Sunday evening. The baby died at the scene.
Assistant Chief Constable Vicki Townsend said the arrests were made as part of a "wide range" of inquiries and urged people "not to speculate", adding if anyone had information "on the dog involved - a male, black XL bully - and its previous behaviour, please contact us directly".
The pair were also arrested on suspicion of child neglect and released on bail.

How could anyone think it was safe to have an animal like that around a child, let alone a tiny baby😔

A police car, partially parked on the pavement, outside a white-painted, semi-detached house with black trim on the windows. There is a grey sports car parked on the gravel drive in front of the house, where two police officers in hi-vis yellow jackets...

Rogiet: Two arrests after baby boy killed in XL bully dog attack

The nine-month-old baby boy died at the scene in south-east Wales on Sunday evening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew4zwdw5gwo

NewHome2026 · 07/11/2025 11:42

MO0N · 07/11/2025 11:41

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cew4zwdw5gwo
7 November 2025, 10:44 GMT
Two people have been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control after a nine-month-old baby boy was killed in an attack by an XL bully in south-east Wales.
Gwent Police and paramedics went to an address in Crossway, Rogiet, near Caldicot, Monmouthshire, on Sunday evening. The baby died at the scene.
Assistant Chief Constable Vicki Townsend said the arrests were made as part of a "wide range" of inquiries and urged people "not to speculate", adding if anyone had information "on the dog involved - a male, black XL bully - and its previous behaviour, please contact us directly".
The pair were also arrested on suspicion of child neglect and released on bail.

How could anyone think it was safe to have an animal like that around a child, let alone a tiny baby😔

They should be charged with manslaughter and not see the light of day for a long time

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MO0N · 07/11/2025 11:44

NewHome2026 · 07/11/2025 11:42

They should be charged with manslaughter and not see the light of day for a long time

locked in a cage with a few hungry xl bullies
I'm sure it'd be a fairly quick death🤷🏻‍♀️

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 07/11/2025 12:14

GasPanic · 08/10/2025 11:39

So if they are caught without a licence they will be punished, in the same way people who don't have MOTs insurance or tax are punished.

At the end of the day this boils down to something really simple.

There are an increasing amount of dogs in society and their presence has an impact and a cost on the whole of society.

The fundamental question is, should those costs be paid by the people who own the dogs, or society as a whole ?

I read a post on Facebook the other week from dog owners calling for a pet NHS 🙄

MO0N · 07/11/2025 12:21

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 07/11/2025 12:14

I read a post on Facebook the other week from dog owners calling for a pet NHS 🙄

This is in part because the industry encourages people to think of their pets as equivalent to humans. They do this because it's an effective way to get people to spend money on their pets and thereby increase the profits of the pet industry.
(Obviously the intellectual deficits of the average facebook denzian are a large factor in this attitude!)

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 07/11/2025 12:36

MO0N · 07/11/2025 12:21

This is in part because the industry encourages people to think of their pets as equivalent to humans. They do this because it's an effective way to get people to spend money on their pets and thereby increase the profits of the pet industry.
(Obviously the intellectual deficits of the average facebook denzian are a large factor in this attitude!)

Oh god definitely, I instantly regretted putting my 2 Penneth in when the comparison to children started 🙄

MO0N · 07/11/2025 12:40

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 07/11/2025 12:36

Oh god definitely, I instantly regretted putting my 2 Penneth in when the comparison to children started 🙄

Cast not your pearls before swine👀

Icecreamandcoffee · 07/11/2025 12:54

I think it is time there was a proper grown up discussion about dog behavior and huge dog behavior awareness campaign, perhaps in line with all dogs having a licence. I do think the licence should be for the owner not the dog. The owner (and I would push this further for all adults in the dog's household) should be made to attend sessions on good ownership behaviour, what an in control and well trained dog acts like, when to seek help for your dog - including spotting signs of pain/ doggy dementia, the warning signs dogs give off before they bite (very few dogs bite out of no-where, they almost always show other warning behaviour before a bite occurs). As well as a huge push on responsible ownership when there are children in the home.

I absolutely hate the insta/ tiktok influencers who tease their dogs for likes - withholding food/ toys or taking things off the dog, for the dogs reaction (then leads to resource guarding), wind their dogs up for laughs, film and laugh at the dog when it is displaying warning behaviour and going "your so silly fido hahaha". Dressing their dogs up or putting things on the dog, whilst the dog very clearly shows it dislikes what is happening whilst the owner laughs and claims the dog looks cute. It's cruel to the dog and poor ownership.

I would also like to see some proper education on responsibility when there are children in the house. There are far too many people who allow their children to climb/ pull/ poke/ prod at their dog. I've seen people allowing their toddlers to "ride" the dog like a horse or stick stickers all over the dog and paint their nails all whilst the dog is clearly uncomfortable. Parents not explaining or recognizing that the dog also needs space and when the dog moves away or goes to their bed then the children should not continue bothering the dog. In some cases not creating a space for the dog to go to to signal it has had enough. Education on keeping both children and dogs safe, again influencer trends of dogs "nannying" young babies and toddlers in the night, sleeping next to cots/ toddler beds with no adult supervision as adults are asleep. Dogs "babysitting" young babies and toddlers -aww they are sharing their toys, aww fido constantly hovers over little Timmy. Not addressing jealousy behavior that some dogs have when new babies come home. Also guidelines for responsible dog walking with children. I've seen far too many children pulled along by the arm by large dogs. Dogs walking children. Children should not be in charge of a dog when walking, they are not physically strong enough or mentally mature enough to know what to do if an incident occurs. It is not fair to the child or the dog.

There are far too many owners who (unknowingly) are poor owners. There needs to be behaviourists and trainers having high social media and media presence really reinforcing the message that certain (very commonly observed) behavior is not good dog behavior and needs addressing. There also needs to be a requirement that dogs undergo proper training classes with a reputable dog trainer/ behaviourist and that poor socialisation behaviours are addressed - this could all be addressed with licencing.

Some Examples of poor dog behavior and poor owner knowledge of poor behavior that is regularly seen in public places includes: a dog approaching other dogs and humans uninvited (with owner simping "they are friendly/social"), a dog barking at another dog or human (who is passing them and non threatening), a dog jumping up at another dog or human (usually in greeting), putting paws on furniture, pulling at the lead, begging for food at the table.

On the XL bully front, it really does need putting about that most dogs that fit this category come from a very narrow bloodline of Killer Kimbo. A huge percentage have this family of dogs in their bloodline and Killer Kimbo was bread to be aggressive and to be an excellent fighter. The US have banned use of this bloodline but it's all over England and Europe.
banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

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