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Why do most jobs require GCSE or equivalent?

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nickinickers · 06/10/2025 16:40

I find this quite soul destroying as someone with no education or ability to learn.
I would be so good at so many jobs but because I’m academically challenged I can’t even apply.
AIBU to think this is so unnecessary and cruel?

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SomeLikeitSnot · 07/10/2025 11:49

KettleSmocks · 06/10/2025 16:45

You think that job is doable with no education and no capacity to learn?

This!!!!

SomeLikeitSnot · 07/10/2025 11:52

Have you ever had any assessments for neurodiversity of even an IQ test OP? It's unusual to be so low functioning academically without any underlying cause.

spoonbillstretford · 07/10/2025 11:58

The whole system is a mess.

It annoys me that say, having a Maths and English GCSE means you can get onto a Level 2 qualification. Which is the equivalent of GCSEs. But there is no way of doing more GCSEs at this stage in the state system, other than repeating Maths and English. If GCSEs are so important then you should get more than one chance to get them, as for various reasons kids may fail between the aged of 14-16 but be able to do them at 16-18. If they aren't important then get rid of them.

C152 · 07/10/2025 12:06

It is unfair that the world has become more rigid and less open to giving people a chance to work their way up when it comes to employment. It is soul destroying. But, it's not going to go back to the way things used to be.

I think if I were in your shoes, I would pursue a diagnosis, as there may be some support available to help you move forward. It also sounds as if you are a physical learner, and you say you're good with your hands. Could you see if there are some traditional makers (e.g. woodworker, upholsterer, soft furnishings maker etc) who may be willing to take you on as a helper/apprentice?

In the interim, try and find some coping mechanisms that work for you.

SALaw · 07/10/2025 12:15

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 11:27

I agree with you and no I probably wouldn’t want someone like me doing those things but I am me, and in life I’ll be expected to work, If I like it or not. I can’t just say no that’s not for me.
I have been fortunate enough to be a sahm but I cannot do that forever as my children are getting older and I’m too old to have any more.
I had my first at 17 and my youngest at 32 she is nearly 10 and only has one more year at primary school.
I need to plan for the future.

If you’re in the U.K. then driving theory test came in in 1996. I passed my test a month before it came in, aged 17, and I’m now nearly 47. How are you less than 42 but passed your driving test pre theory?!

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 12:44

SALaw · 07/10/2025 12:15

If you’re in the U.K. then driving theory test came in in 1996. I passed my test a month before it came in, aged 17, and I’m now nearly 47. How are you less than 42 but passed your driving test pre theory?!

If she's 41 she was born in 1984. You're saying the theory test didn't come in till 1996 at which point she'd be 12, so she'd have to have taken a theory test.

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 12:50

I can drive and managed to pass a driving test before there was theory tests

If you're around 41/42 you can't have.
Being 41/42 means you were born in 1984-ish.

The theory test came in 1996.
You'd be 12 then, so you couldn't have taken your driving test with no theory test.

You're either lying about your age or your whole thread is made up.

evilharpy · 07/10/2025 12:56

Did the OP actually say she's in the UK? It didn't start in Ireland until 2001, for example.

SALaw · 07/10/2025 13:29

evilharpy · 07/10/2025 12:56

Did the OP actually say she's in the UK? It didn't start in Ireland until 2001, for example.

Do they do GCSEs there?

SALaw · 07/10/2025 13:30

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 12:44

If she's 41 she was born in 1984. You're saying the theory test didn't come in till 1996 at which point she'd be 12, so she'd have to have taken a theory test.

Yes I know that’s why I asked the question? She said she passed pre-theory test.

SALaw · 07/10/2025 13:31

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 12:50

I can drive and managed to pass a driving test before there was theory tests

If you're around 41/42 you can't have.
Being 41/42 means you were born in 1984-ish.

The theory test came in 1996.
You'd be 12 then, so you couldn't have taken your driving test with no theory test.

You're either lying about your age or your whole thread is made up.

This is the same point I made that you replied to?

ScarletWitchM · 07/10/2025 13:38

I don’t understand how did you pass your driving test before theory tests were a thing, if you are only 42? Theory tests came in in 1996 which means by the time you can take a test at 17 it would have been 4 years since theory tests were introduced

BankfieldForever · 07/10/2025 14:07

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 10:10

It’s not just the classroom setting, I tried to do a course in nutrition not long ago, not as a career choice but recovering from anorexia I wanted to learn about healthy eating habits.
I could read the modules ok but by the end of the page I had no idea what I’d just read so even to answer recap questions on the next page I had read and understood the text but retained none of the information.

I can drive and managed to pass a driving test before there was theory tests but I learned because I was actually doing and being talked through it so I can learn by doing something lots of times which makes me wonder if I can do something enough it becomes part of a habit and so is not short term memory.
So if I go on a journey and my husband tells me directions I will not remember the way on my own abut if I did that same journey with him directing me every day until it became a subconscious state then I am able to eventually remember the way but I have no sense of direction so I do journeys I know well, like the school run or supermarket that I’ve been to hundreds of times.
I could read an instruction leaflet a hundred times and not understand it but if someone talked me through it while I did it myself over and over every time that would be a subconscious habit and I’d be able to remember then. It’s hard to explain.

Now I know you’re having us on.

If any of that were true you wouldn’t have been able to remember what happened on those occasions and articulate it so extremely well in this post.

I’m done.

Violinist64 · 07/10/2025 14:43

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 11:02

If you really want to get to the bottom of what's going on, you need to be assessed by an educational psychologist but that will cost you around £600. You could get a similar but not quite so in-depth assessment at an FE college if you were enrolled on a course.

There are various ways of learning and remembering and you clearly don't learn just by reading.

For example, one way round this would be for you to make your own notes ( a summary) of a paragraph, or draw a diagram as a 'prompt/ memory jogger'. You could highlight key points in a paragraph (with a highlighter pen) and focus on the key information. You can create visual images in your mind as memory joggers.

You have IMO a learning difficulty that has never been diagnosed. Where you go from here is up to you and what you want to do next.

Out of interest, if you know, did you have a difficult birth and was there ever any hint of damage to your brain? Or, is there a family history with your parents or siblings having these same issues ?

I was wondering the same thing about your birth, @nickinickers. I think you were failed at school and left to flounder. You obviously needed more specialist teaching; it sounds as if you might have flourished in a special school. However, the past cannot be undone. I agree with others that a formal diagnosis of a your learning difficulties would be helpful, especially if it included ideas for how you could be helped in the future. You can write very well but, with your further updates, I would imagine it takes you a very long time to write each post, especially as you have to read and reread over and over again to understand what you are reading . You have done well to get through life so far with all obstacles you have obviously had to face.

Bobiverse · 07/10/2025 14:48

BankfieldForever · 07/10/2025 14:07

Now I know you’re having us on.

If any of that were true you wouldn’t have been able to remember what happened on those occasions and articulate it so extremely well in this post.

I’m done.

Autobiographical memory is very different from a working memory. She can absolutely remember what happens to her and times she has struggled and why she struggles. Doesn’t mean she can then remember a passage she read and recall the information from it.
Memory in the brain isn’t just one part does all.

And very uneducated people can still learn to be articulate. It still doesn’t mean they can recall technical information, nor does it mean they could read a passage, think critically and answer questions on it or see deeper meaning behind phrases or fully comprehend what an author is saying.

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:07

Well I didn’t have to do the computer test and the hazard awareness that they do now.
I don’t know if there was a paper test or not I thought they just asked a few questions, I remember them having the bonnet up and asking me to point to things. I am 42 now it was 2000 so 25 years ago.

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HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 15:13

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:07

Well I didn’t have to do the computer test and the hazard awareness that they do now.
I don’t know if there was a paper test or not I thought they just asked a few questions, I remember them having the bonnet up and asking me to point to things. I am 42 now it was 2000 so 25 years ago.

25 years ago you would have had to sit the computer driving theory test.

Did you take your test at 17? That's what you're saying. That's quite some pace because you'd have had to learn to drive AND take your test very quickly (before you were 18.)

You're only slightly older than my eldest child and they had to do the theory test.

Have you done the quick assessment for dyslexia that I left a link for @nickinickers ? It's from a proper professional source- not some 'social media' influencer.

It should only take you 10 minutes.

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:15

Anyway thank you to the nice people who replied with advice.
I have taken what I need from this thread.
I think possibly inattentive ADHD and dyscalculia.
From what I’ve read I’m not likely to get the latter diagnosed on the nhs so I’ll have to speak to my husband and see what we can do.
I will try and get assessed for adhd on the nhs but it seems like it might take a while.

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HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 15:18

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:15

Anyway thank you to the nice people who replied with advice.
I have taken what I need from this thread.
I think possibly inattentive ADHD and dyscalculia.
From what I’ve read I’m not likely to get the latter diagnosed on the nhs so I’ll have to speak to my husband and see what we can do.
I will try and get assessed for adhd on the nhs but it seems like it might take a while.

If you can look at the links I left you, there is a test for the low cost of under £40. They are a starting point. As well as the FREE test for initial dyslexia screening.

Bobiverse · 07/10/2025 15:19

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:07

Well I didn’t have to do the computer test and the hazard awareness that they do now.
I don’t know if there was a paper test or not I thought they just asked a few questions, I remember them having the bonnet up and asking me to point to things. I am 42 now it was 2000 so 25 years ago.

They had the full theory test in 2000.

Do you actually have a full driver’s license? The pink photo card?

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:21

HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 15:13

25 years ago you would have had to sit the computer driving theory test.

Did you take your test at 17? That's what you're saying. That's quite some pace because you'd have had to learn to drive AND take your test very quickly (before you were 18.)

You're only slightly older than my eldest child and they had to do the theory test.

Have you done the quick assessment for dyslexia that I left a link for @nickinickers ? It's from a proper professional source- not some 'social media' influencer.

It should only take you 10 minutes.

Edited

I’m not going to argue with you I did not sit a computer theory test. They may have come out soon after but that’s irrelevant to me so please don’t factually tell me that I would have. When I was the one that didn’t.

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HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 15:24

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:21

I’m not going to argue with you I did not sit a computer theory test. They may have come out soon after but that’s irrelevant to me so please don’t factually tell me that I would have. When I was the one that didn’t.

There are several posters pointing this out to you, not just me.
The theory test was introduced in July 1996 when you were 13.

It might be 'irrelevant' to you but it does raise some questions why you didn't do it.

Considering you say you find driving hard, it's also surprising you took your test when you were still 17.

Anyway, if you're genuine, I've left links to support for you.

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:26

Ok just looked at my licence it was 1999 and my son was born in 2000 so I thought it was the same year but he was early 2000. The tests came out in 2000 so a short time after if it’s really relevant to the thread.

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HollyBerriesComing · 07/10/2025 15:27

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:26

Ok just looked at my licence it was 1999 and my son was born in 2000 so I thought it was the same year but he was early 2000. The tests came out in 2000 so a short time after if it’s really relevant to the thread.

No, they didn't. They came out in 1996. I can leave a link if you don't believe this. You were born in 1983 if you are 42 now. So in 1999 you'd be too young to drive.

In 2000 you'd be just 17 and the theory test was done.

nickinickers · 07/10/2025 15:32

Yes thank you @HollyBerriesComingI read the link and there does seem some similarities. Only one question didn’t apply to me but I also did dyscalculia and I ticked all the boxes too. And ADHD but I’m sure I don’t have everything so there must be some overlap

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