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Understanding alcoholism

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terriblemuriel2 · 06/10/2025 13:12

I am dealing with someone close to me who is a clear alcoholic. They have drank for many years but in about the past 5 years it has gotten much worse. I have observed them being quite cruel to others while drunk. They have ‘panic attacks’ and behave like they are having some sort of breakdown but can then snap out of it as quickly as it started. They have injured themselves by falling several times. , occasionally ending up in hospital or minor injuries. They have fallen out with friends and family members due to their drinking. They have embarrassed themselves in public and have been known to drink in the mornings.

I am trying to remind myself that addiction is an illness. However this person is functioning in the sense that they work 3 days a week and can always manage to be sober and coherent during this time. So in my eyes they are capable of being sober but make the choice to buy more alcohol and repeat the same patterns of harmful behaviour.

I have seen videos of people who are physically dependent on alcohol. They can’t function without it and have to drink as soon as they wake up just to stop shaking and retching. This person isn’t at that level but they have definitely used it as a crutch to cope with difficult periods in life.

I know I can’t fix this and I know I have to protect myself which I have done by distancing myself from this person and refusing to engage when they are drunk. However I still feel immense guilt and worry for their wellbeing which I know isn’t logical but happens anyway.

I would like to understand the thought process and motivation of someone who has experience with alcoholism because I can’t wrap my head around someone continuing to do such damaging things over and over. I like a drink myself but at the first sign of issues with family or my health I would think I’d stop. I have looked into chatting it through with Al Anon but there are no meetings local to me and I don’t have the time or means to travel far for one.

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Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 06/10/2025 13:18

People like this are functioning alcoholics. One person I knew who was a functioning alcoholic had huge job stress and massive credit card debt and a dysfunctional relationship where they didn't discuss finances, budget, etc. The other has a hugely stressful job and depression.

Functioning alcoholics are very likely in denial about their alcoholism precisely because they can stop if it's going to impact their ability to get to work, etc. Doesn't mean they and their performance aren't impacted though.

CustardySergeant · 06/10/2025 13:20

May I suggest that the best place for your thread is https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/alcoholsupport ? You can report your post and ask for it to be moved. I think you will find the most knowledgeable people there. Entirely up to you of course. I understand you may want it here for the most traffic.

terriblemuriel2 · 06/10/2025 14:18

@mnhqplease could you move this to the alcohol support board thank you

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BonfireNight1993 · 06/10/2025 14:21

From experience (though this might not be what an expert would say) I would tell them that you know their secret, and that you're worried about them. Alcoholics are often very good liars who can hide their drinking for years, so they don't realise that they're getting sloppy (or their addiction is getting worse) and therefore think no-one is aware. By stripping away some of the secretiveness you'll be helping them to take the first step towards recovery.

That said, in my experience, recovery is rare and not reliable. If this is a romantic partner I would start to think about what life without them will look like, and if it's a family member I would start thinking about what boundaries you'll put in place. For me cutting the alcoholic off was the only good choice in the end.

terriblemuriel2 · 06/10/2025 14:43

BonfireNight1993 · 06/10/2025 14:21

From experience (though this might not be what an expert would say) I would tell them that you know their secret, and that you're worried about them. Alcoholics are often very good liars who can hide their drinking for years, so they don't realise that they're getting sloppy (or their addiction is getting worse) and therefore think no-one is aware. By stripping away some of the secretiveness you'll be helping them to take the first step towards recovery.

That said, in my experience, recovery is rare and not reliable. If this is a romantic partner I would start to think about what life without them will look like, and if it's a family member I would start thinking about what boundaries you'll put in place. For me cutting the alcoholic off was the only good choice in the end.

It is definitely not a secret. Well the levels they drink to might be but I certainly have always known that this family member drinks often and have seen them drunk more times than I care to remember.

We have spoken about it many times. Totally pointless when they are drunk as they are illogical. And when they are sober they become defensive and don’t want to talk about it.

I cannot understand the thought process of continuing behaviour that has caused so many issues. It’s a miracle there are currently no obvious health issues from it. Even that wouldn’t stop them I suspect.

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Grammarninja · 06/10/2025 14:56

An alcoholic drinks to feel more intensely. If they're happy, they want to celebrate, if they're sad they want a key to access the depths of it. An alcoholic can't appreciate basic contentment or even recognise it. Intense emotions are more alluring. Some people will choose extreme stress over its opposite - boredom. It's how they're wired.

CatsArePeople · 06/10/2025 15:00

There is absolutely NOTHING that an outsider can do. Not even a family member.

NoctuaAthene · 06/10/2025 15:11

Sadly I have some personal experience of a very close family member who was an alcoholic, it killed him in the end but he was a (more or less, often less) functioning alcoholic for many many years. I agree with trying to set some boundaries and protect yourself, it is incredibly difficult living with or caring for someone in this situation, maybe take a look at the Al-Anon (charity for relatives and loved ones of alcoholics) resources and see if they have a group near you - it's comforting just knowing you aren't alone.

In terms of the question you ask about 'why' people continue to drink despite it being increasingly obvious how damaging it is, in every way, including to those around them. I think in the gentlest possible way you're looking at it slightly too simplistically, there isn't a straightforward answer. People don't become alcoholics overnight and nor is it as simple as just because on some occasions they can be sober, they can always be sober if they just tried harder/cared more. You absolutely can't allow yourself to think that if only you persuaded your person hard enough, if you can just find the right words or if only they loved you enough they'd change - down that road I'm afraid madness and a huge amount of guilt and anxiety on your part lies so turn around now if you can. It's a hard thing to accept but step 1 is understanding that you cannot talk someone out of their alcoholism (you didn't create this, you can't control it, you won't cure it, al-anon mantra).

In my experience alcoholism is nearly always a response/consequence of complex other factors going on in the person's life, so in my relative's case it almost certainly started with undiagnosed and unsupported neuro-diversity from childhood, leading to quite complex mental health issues. Alcohol started as a useful way of self-medicating and way of coping with the things in his life he found hard, which then spiralled from there. There was also had some inter-generational trauma (to use a trendy phrase), we have a long long family history of mental instability and alcoholism, he himself was the child of two alcoholics, probably again something to do with neurodiversity as there's such a genetic component to that plus the fact that if you're shown maladaptive social patterns and coping mechanisms from early childhood of course you are at risk of repeating that in your own life. Then there are the social issues and the vicious circle of addiction, as the alcoholic goes deeper and deeper in, the worse the consequences i.e. relationship breakdown, job loss and unemployment, poor physical health, alienation of friends and wider family, terrible finances, even homelessness (my relative again followed this sad but well-trodden downwards cycle) - the more all this goes on the less attractive an option sobriety can seem and the more attractive blocking it all out with alcohol is. Most alcoholics (unsurprisingly given alcohol is a depressant) are chronically depressed and feel a lot of shame about themselves, terribly low self-esteem and a feeling of hopelessness and despair about the future. Not a great foundation for starting off a difficult task of quitting - possible of course but needs a huge effort on the part of the person which sadly not everyone has in them if they've been repeatedly bashed around by life.

I hope that little bit of insight might help, ultimately I don't find thinking about the 'why' too much is all that helpful, TLDR = it's complex , alcoholics aren't necessarily bad people but nor are they saints, personally I found the only way through was setting and being clear about my own boundaries and doing what I needed to do to protect myself and my kids, not trying to control the alcohol per se but offering what support I could. There's no right or wrong way through this sad process though. The alcohol support board here is a good resource, people have walked this road before and that can be a comforting thing if nothing else is?

HowardTJMoon · 06/10/2025 15:14

If you've never suffered from an addiction then you won't understand the thought processes that drive addictive behaviour. It's baffling to watch because it's not about rational decision making, it's about giving yourself permission/justification to perpetuate a cycle of self-destructive behaviour today while lying to yourself that it'll be better tomorrow.

JamieCannister · 06/10/2025 15:22

I am not sure this is that helpful, but this thread reminds me of the difference between a habit and an addiction.

Habits can be broken reasonably easily sometimes. Peopel can bite their nails for decades then just stop.

Addictions are much more dangerous and harder to escape.

But I also think that there is a kind of middle ground. A full-on alcoholic will wake up and need a drink. Someone between habit and full-on alcoholic has the benefit of being able to keep their habit to certain hours (non-working in this case, it seems), but for all intents and purposes might as well be full-on alcoholics given how addicted they are, and given that the moment they stop working they'll be able to (and have to) dedicate themselves 24/7 to their addiction.

FOJN · 06/10/2025 15:22

The compulsion to drink is a mystery to many alcoholics so trying to explain it to someone who isn't is impossible. 100 alcoholics will give you 100 different reasons for drinking, rarely will they say they don't know why they drink and they can't stop.

You need to back away. It doesn't sound like the person concerned wants to stop drinking. Trying to understand why they do will not give you a unique way to challenge the problem. You can hang around thinking you can talk them into stopping but they will take you down with them if you insist on trying to fix them.

The less you have to do with them the less guilt and worry you will feel. You know you can't fix and your guilt and worry are illogical but it happens anyway is pretty much the same helplessness an alcoholic feels.

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