To be furious that the Machester synagogue attacker was let out on bail for a rape charge?

[PrincessSophieFrederike]

Why??? Firstly, why are accused rapists allowed to be let out on bail which might conceivably allow them to reoffend (assuming they're guilty)?

I don't know if the police missed signs of radicalisation or had him on their radar. But even if there had been no such signs, why allow accused rapists out on bail?

If only he'd not been out on bail, there would've been no attack.

More broadly- what on earth is wrong with our police? Otoh they're waving trans flags, standing by while TRAs intimidate GC women & allowing Pro-Palestine protectors to shout anti Semitic slogans (not all IK but way too many)

Otoh they're apparently indifferent to attacks on women (and some are themselves committing them), tolerate prejudice against ethnic minorities, gay people & the disabled and behave sadistically to suspects.

Where did the force go so wrong & how can we improve it?

I know many police officers are good, courageous people, I have a lot of respect for those. But there seem to be far too many who are the opposite. As the saying goes, a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel...

If they had listened to End Violence Against Women back in 2018, rapists wouldn't be bailed anymore.

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/rape-victims-failed-by-bail-system-urgent-reform-needed/

Protests are part of democracy. The Barcelona protest is jaw dropping amd impressive.

https://youtube.com/shorts/xswNEZ-2gsY?si=nXENlKGmqO-HPhwa

I'm not asking for protests to be shut down, I agreed with protesting the situation in Gaza re the famine.

What I object to are allowing people to go around shouting violent slogans about Jewish people

They'd never put all accused rapists on remand because men of all backgrounds are accused of rape. Same goes for domestic violence.
It isn't like knife crime where some men, particularly those with power, can never envisage a situation where they'd be found to be carrying a zombie knife in the streets. They can imagine a situation where someone may accuse them of rape, though.

They’re probably let out because prisons are over crowded and rape cases can take years to reach trial.

I have no idea why we can’t just build more prisons. It would help the economy by creating jobs etc, take criminals off the streets.

Because we need houses?

There’s more than enough space to build more prisons. Could even build some on those barely inhabited islands. Or tower block style prisons.

Who would work on those barely inhabited islands?

As long as the island is accessible from the mainland in a shortish time it shouldn’t be a problem to get staff. There are commuters and children that take boat rides every day to school/ work in the UK and around the world. It can be done, if the will is there.

It is very rare that terrorists don’t start with violence against women. Almost always there’s a DV charge in there somewhere.

Because angry hateful men are angry and hateful.

If we took all VAWG seriously, we’d catch and lock up most terrorists. But VAWG isn’t seen as serious.

Is this the same prison system desperately recruiting for staff in its existing institutions? Or another one?

Do you have statistics on that?

I have no idea. It’s an idea of what can be done, that I formulated in about 2 mins whilst finishing my glass of wine.

Ah makes sense.

I agree totally. I live near a category 2 men's prison (it's a nice quiet area apart from the odd breakout!)and the disorder & overcrowding is reportedly terrible there.

At least the government is trying to reduce women in prison who are not dangerous. The book Prisonomics recommended this a long time ago & it will go some way to making space...

I suspect this is why Shabana Mahmood is pushing for mandatory chemical castration of child abusers. I think mandatory castration is potentially a slippery slope & it wouldn't fix everyone, but I guess it could help...

<sigh> I’ll Google that for you, even though it’s pretty well documented and observable.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178925000242

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https://time.com/6553509/misogyny-precursor-terrorism-essay/

The percentage of rape cases that actually lead to a conviction is tiny as it is

There is so much that could be done to better support women. The problem is, there is already a very unpleasant backlash to increased awareness of sexual violence. You only need to spend a short while on social media to find out that apparently just one word from a woman can ruim a man's life forever, that men are afraid of even interacting with women lest they be falsely accused. All nonsense. Especially when you look at the actual statistics or case studies where men are accused (hint. Their lives are not usually ruined). However, if you kept men in prison between their arrest and their trial you could be looking at imprisoning men for up to 2 years. With the majority of those men not being found guilty (because early on CPS decides not to press charges all the way up to them being found innocent at trial). I think that would spark an even bigger backlash from the MRA types. Also, there are cases where I think men were genuinely not guilty (as opposed to not being found guilty). Keeping them in prison would have been a breach of their rights.

I would rather there was more awareness that actually, men who commit DV or rape are overall bad men. They aren't otherwise decent sorts who have a flaw. There's a huge overlap between terrorism and abuse of women that there should be more awareness of rather than compartmentalizing as some are wont to do.

I wrote my post before I read yours. You say it much more succinctly.

Good point about waiting for trial. I know case backlog is very bad.

I believe some studies have shown that abusers given chemical casteration turn to other methods of abuse. No idea how valid they are but it makes sense when you think of sexual abuse as a violent crime not actually about sex iykwim.

This is from a self reported survey. You said:

"Almost always there’s a DV charge in there somewhere."

Which suggests most terrorists have been arrested for DV which is a different thing to what this study looked at.

So one stat I found is that 31% of Islamic terrorists in the US had any criminal record. Of those, 64% were for a violent crime.

See this is what I thought re terrorists. Most do not have much of a prior criminal history. Especially for violent crime. That is terrorists overall.

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-islamic-state-crime-terror-nexus-in-the-united-states-developments-and-wider-relevance/