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Rainbow badges at work - upset

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whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:08

I work in a sector with vulnerable young people. A few years ago, we made the decision as a company to wear as part of our uniform, a name tag with the rainbow on as part of pledging our support to LGBT+
We have all received new name badges and for the first time ever- an option has been provided to have a red coloured one instead of the rainbow if staff 'do not agree with LGBT+'
I have raised this with HR and union and been told that staff are now allowed to choose and that is their right.
I feel really upset by this - colleagues I have known for years are now deciding against the rainbow badge.
We work with the most vulnerable- who are often LGBT. Some of our service users have asked staff directly why they are not using them- and they have lied saying " They'd run out , or the pin on the rainbow ones are crap, some staff are hiding the red ones.
It's not a majority by any means - it's probably about 11 staff in a staff of 60.
I just feel really really upset by it, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
I also don't understand how people can be 'against' LGBT
It's a protected characteristic.

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JHound · 01/10/2025 15:30

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 01/10/2025 15:25

Explain how lesbians exist if you support males identifying as lesbians?

I am pretty sure they don’t think everybody on the planet is transgender.

PaellaPan · 01/10/2025 15:31

People should never have been compelled to wear the rainbow badges in the first place. That is authoritarian and dictatorial. Compelled agreement is coercive/abusive. Both options should have been available from the beginning and everyone allowed to choose.

I would quit before wearing an enforced badge like this. I was issued with a rainbow lanyard, I immediately swapped it for a plain one because I do not publicly show what groups I do or don't align with.

Cosyblankets · 01/10/2025 15:31

Let me guess you have to put your pronouns on your emails to be inclusive
A name badge should give your name nothing else

JHound · 01/10/2025 15:32

CatchingtheCat · 01/10/2025 15:29

It denies same sex attraction, claims heterosexual men who identify as women are lesbians. And lesbians who won’t sleep with such men are transphobic.

Ok.

Winederlust · 01/10/2025 15:32

I think the problem is that, by deciding to have rainbow badges to signal support, it has created a black and white implication that rainbow = for and red (or no rainbow) = against.
I don't believe that it's likely that anyone choosing a red badge is in any way a threat to the people they're supporting. There are many valid reasons why they may feel uncomfortable wearing a rainbow badge (it is a political symbol which doesn't have the innocent connotations it may have started out with for many).
However, An environment has now been created where vulnerable people feel even more vulnerable just because someone isn't wearing a rainbow badge. See how ridiculous that sounds?!
In short, this isn't an issue cause by red badges. Seemingly innocuous virtue signalling often has unwanted side effects and you're seeing this in action.

DottieMoon · 01/10/2025 15:33

I think you're being a bit ridiculous here.

I just feel really really upset by it, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
I also don't understand how people can be 'against' LGBT

Wearing a red badge isn't being 'against' LGBT though is it? That is your interpretation! People should not be forced to wear a rainbow badge, if any thing they should be allowed to be neutral. I think your employers were very wrong and unfair in previously forcing everyone to wear this. I'm not at all anti LGBT but it pro LGBT shouldn't be forced.

ERthree · 01/10/2025 15:33

WeeGeeBored · 01/10/2025 15:05

Why punish a whole group because you don't agree with one element of it.

OP, this IS upsetting. I could see where the anti-trans stance was taking us. The language that is used against transpeople normalises discrimination and it is a matter of time before that spreads to the normalisation of discrimination against other groups.

I wish no harm to any group. I refuse to lie and if i am discriminating against trans people by saying I will not lie and pretend you are a woman when you are a bloke or vice versa then i am guilty of discrimination and quiet frankly i won't loose sleep over it but i sure as hell would if i lied.
Stop demanding people lie.

Snorlaxo · 01/10/2025 15:33

Not being pro something doesn’t mean that you’re anti.

Think about politics. The Don’t Know/Don’t Care people often make a significant percentage.

Has your organisation said that red = anti? I bet that they haven’t.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 01/10/2025 15:34

JHound · 01/10/2025 15:30

I am pretty sure they don’t think everybody on the planet is transgender.

If you believe that males can be lesbians, same sex attraction doesn’t exist.

Andouillette · 01/10/2025 15:34

3456DDF · 01/10/2025 14:58

Are there no grey areas where you work @whatishappening123 ?

You have to be either pro LGBT or anti it?

That seems very divisive to me. And outing people's personal opinions at work raises ALL kinds of problems.

By gum, I think you've got it. I would like a grey badge please!

N0Tfunny · 01/10/2025 15:34

@whatishappening123 i feel so sad for all these vulnerable young people that you work with and hate / don’t support / don’t agree with - those with disabilities, pregnant girls and young parents , asylum seekers and refugees, immigrants, ethnic minority young people, Jews and Muslims, travellers , homeless people, those who are are care experience, gender realists, those whose political views differ from you own, vegans, vegetarians etc

How can you hate all these young people ? What kind of person are you to be so hateful ?

Because you’ve not worn a badge or lanyard that supports them, so you must hate them, right? That’s the only two options .

SoScarletItWas · 01/10/2025 15:35

Thundertoast · 01/10/2025 14:41

So just to double check, whats the exact wording thats used to describe people using the badge? How is it described? Have they actually written down the exact words 'do not agree with LGBT+'?

This is what I want to understand. I work in Comms and there is absolutely no way we would use that phrase. We would have said ‘There is a choice of lanyards available; a plain one and a rainbow one - please feel free to choose either’ and not included any indication of one signifying ‘disagree with LGBTQ+’.

@whatishappening123 was that really the wording used?

gorlomi · 01/10/2025 15:35

Op isn't coming back

IMustDoMoreExercise · 01/10/2025 15:36

Work places should not be giving out any rainbow badges at all as it just causes problems and where do you draw the line?

All badges should be a neutral colour.

Stoneblock · 01/10/2025 15:40

I have worn the Rainbow in the past, but now find it isn't used to support inclusivity, but almost the opposite.

The red is surely "plain, non-rainbow" rather than against.

CatchingtheCat · 01/10/2025 15:42

Neutral badge = inclusive of everyone

Rainbow badge = privileges a specific group

Goodworkifyoucangetit · 01/10/2025 15:42

It sounds as though someone has advised HR that staff shouldn't be obliged to wear the rainbow lanyard. HR have disingeuously implemented this by saying that staff can choose to show either support or enmity towards LGBT people. I'd say that telling anyone who doesn't want to wear a rainbow lanyard that their only other option is to declare themselves publicly as hating LGBT people is itself discriminatory against, for instance, gender critical people or Muslim people (as they are likely to be disproportionately affected).

CatchingtheCat · 01/10/2025 15:43

CatchingtheCat · 01/10/2025 15:42

Neutral badge = inclusive of everyone

Rainbow badge = privileges a specific group

What is it they say about equality feeling like oppression when you are used to privilege?

godmum56 · 01/10/2025 15:43

BellissimoGecko · 01/10/2025 14:44

Christ. LGBT is not a protected characteristic. Gender reassignment is a PC. So is sexual orientation. But not ‘LGBT’.

I’m amazed that you have all been made to wear LGBT badges. Are all your clients LGBT? How do you think those who are not feel about the badges?

i think your company has made a sensible decision, after making a bad one.

political virtue signalling has no place at work. A name badge should be a name badge, not a place where you add your religion, sexual orientation, or any groups or causes you support.

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This.

CommonPuffball · 01/10/2025 15:43

What a mad world I find myself in. A plain name badge is all that is needed

Utter madness.

Jenkibuble · 01/10/2025 15:44

Lurkingandlearning · 01/10/2025 14:25

If your work entails supporting LBGT that is all the signalling you need. You don’t need to wear anything. It’s clearly divisive in your organisation and segregating people with badges is a terrible idea.

THIS.
I volunteer at a christian based homeless charity . I am not religious but want to help the homeless. They ask if I want to pray with them at the beginning of each session (other staff members) I decline - that is fine . They are happy with that. I am not pretending to support something that I am not a believer of.

Winederlust · 01/10/2025 15:45

whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:34

Yes it is

No, 'it's' not.
Sexual orientation is a PC
Gender reassignment is a PC
'LGBTQ' is not a PC. It may encompass the above 2 PCs but also a lot of other made up stuff which aren't.

godmum56 · 01/10/2025 15:45

Andouillette · 01/10/2025 15:34

By gum, I think you've got it. I would like a grey badge please!

I want a purple one in memory of all the animals killed in wars.

Sirzy · 01/10/2025 15:45

I think this is a risk when we start making a performance about supporting these things at work. It should go without saying that people are respectful of those they work with but they don’t need to wear that support around their neck.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 01/10/2025 15:46

I'd love the OP to come back and explain what exactly she has done apart from wear a colourful badge to "support LGBTQ"

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