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Rainbow badges at work - upset

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whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:08

I work in a sector with vulnerable young people. A few years ago, we made the decision as a company to wear as part of our uniform, a name tag with the rainbow on as part of pledging our support to LGBT+
We have all received new name badges and for the first time ever- an option has been provided to have a red coloured one instead of the rainbow if staff 'do not agree with LGBT+'
I have raised this with HR and union and been told that staff are now allowed to choose and that is their right.
I feel really upset by this - colleagues I have known for years are now deciding against the rainbow badge.
We work with the most vulnerable- who are often LGBT. Some of our service users have asked staff directly why they are not using them- and they have lied saying " They'd run out , or the pin on the rainbow ones are crap, some staff are hiding the red ones.
It's not a majority by any means - it's probably about 11 staff in a staff of 60.
I just feel really really upset by it, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
I also don't understand how people can be 'against' LGBT
It's a protected characteristic.

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Swiftie1878 · 01/10/2025 14:44

whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:32

Feel free to report

Long term poster- All true unfortunately

ALso it was truly said that if you weren't happy to support LGBT anymore, you could choose the red one

Given the nature of your organisation’s work, I suspect the Red wearers are just not happy to support Trans ideology.
It’s been handled terribly, whatever the reasoning though.

chocolatemademefat · 01/10/2025 14:45

I have a gay son and even he thinks the whole rainbow thing is overdone. The way he lives his life is completely normal - he neither wants nor needs anyone virtue signalling on his behalf.

Sartre · 01/10/2025 14:45

I think it should always have been ‘neutral’. People have different opinions and values, I abhor homophobia but equally think it’s ok not to be comfortable with the rainbow symbol if your values don’t align with the LGBT community. I don’t think this should ever be forced.

I’m a lecturer and our uni has rainbow lanyards amongst other choices, I do have a rainbow one but also just a purple one with the uni name. I wear either or, not really fussed but at least it’s a choice.

Treeleaf11 · 01/10/2025 14:45

SwingTheMonkey · 01/10/2025 14:21

I’d also highly doubt any organisation worded it as choosing the red pin because you’re against lgbtq. They’re just giving someone an alternative if they don’t want to display the pride flag. Choosing the red doesn’t automatically mean you’re a homophobe.

This. I think you have got the wrong end of the stick about the red badge

fetchacloth · 01/10/2025 14:47

ToadRage · 01/10/2025 14:20

This sounds really odd to me. Its great to be allowed to show your support of LGBT, why on earth would you not? Why do they need a special colour to show they are against, why not just have a regular name badge but without the rainbow.

I agree. This is the most pragmatic resolution. No one can be offended then.

Lidlfamilypack · 01/10/2025 14:48

I’d be getting one in suffragette colours.

gorlomi · 01/10/2025 14:49

Fuck sake. Get rid of all the silly coloured badges and everyone have a proper, normal white and black name badge.

Mochudubh · 01/10/2025 14:50

FFS, What's wrong with a plain badge with name and maybe company logo? Same with lanyards - company standard only or don't use one, no rainbows, slogans or a hundred badges pinned to it.

LaughingCat · 01/10/2025 14:50

whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:39

hmm lots to think about here - I think the neutrality thing is a good point and maybe we shouldn't ever have had the rainbow ones

Hmm dunno . Doesn't feel right to me though

I think a neutral option should always have been provided - I’m the B in LGBT and would not have been upset at an opt-in model (others may disagree). There are plenty of reasons why others might not want to have it on their name badge. But agree, not sure why there should be an ‘anti-LGBT’ option. Like, what the heck is that?! “I’m actively against non-hetero relationships”, doesn’t feel like the best flex, especially when you’re working with vulnerable people who just want to be accepted.

TheatricalLife · 01/10/2025 14:51

chocolatemademefat · 01/10/2025 14:45

I have a gay son and even he thinks the whole rainbow thing is overdone. The way he lives his life is completely normal - he neither wants nor needs anyone virtue signalling on his behalf.

Same with mine, and a lot of her friends agree. Not everyone who is gay wants to wear or display a flag all the time. They are people, not billboards.

Lidlfamilypack · 01/10/2025 14:51

I can’t believe you’ve gone to hr and union about this to bully people into complying. Atrocious behaviour.

BruhWhy · 01/10/2025 14:51

Are you quite sure the red is to signify they're "anti-lgbt"? Or is it just red 🙄

I recently had a pick of lanyards, this week in fact. I chose a blue one over the pride flag option. I am certainly not anti-anything, I just don't do flags and don't feel the need to visually represent my beliefs on my body. Not everyone wants to adorn themselves with flags and badges to communicate to others what their opinions are.

Everanewbie · 01/10/2025 14:52

I detect a slight shift away from virtue signalling gestures in the workplace. Its slow and careful, but detectable.

I don't wear any pride paraphernalia in June despite my company encouraging it. I am not "against" LGBT people at all. I am not against every cause or movement I don't openly support. Plus, I would rather support the LGBT community through my actions than with a name badge.

Furthermore, some organisations seem to have self-appointed hegemony in these things. I don't support the progress flag and I don't support BLM and I won't wear their flags.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 01/10/2025 14:53

That's awful

Yanbu at all x

nomas · 01/10/2025 14:53

whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:39

hmm lots to think about here - I think the neutrality thing is a good point and maybe we shouldn't ever have had the rainbow ones

Hmm dunno . Doesn't feel right to me though

Sounds more like you're pissed off everyone is not doing what you expect them to. Were you one of the people suggesting the rainbow badge?

I wouldn't wear a rainbow badge, same as I don't put my pronouns on my email signature.

caringcarer · 01/10/2025 14:53

Lidlfamilypack · 01/10/2025 14:17

I would not wear a rainbow badge as I don’t support the T.

Id say it’s discriminating against me to make me wear a badge that goes against my philosophical belief in terms of being GC.

It's wrong to make people wear a badge that fundamentally goes against their own scientific beliefs. Wearing a badge should be entirely optional. After all no one makes you wear the red badge. By making all staff wear the rainbow badge the organisation would be taking away their rights of free thought.

OverTheWater28 · 01/10/2025 14:53

I’m bisexual myself, and my brother, along with many of my close friends are gay or lesbian. None of us would be caught dead wearing a rainbow badge or lanyard.

floppybit · 01/10/2025 14:54

It’s precisely because you work with vulnerable young people that I wouldn’t wear the rainbow badge.

DrowningInSyrup · 01/10/2025 14:54

SirBasil · 01/10/2025 14:23

it's not anti-LGBTQ+whatever

it is just not performative allyship

Frankly, all badges should be neutral. And you can wear a rainbow badge if you want.

ETA: tbh i prefer red. Because i am pretty much in allignment with the communists. I may even paint a little gold hammer and sickle on it...

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I agree, it should be neutral. I don't think staff should have had to wear a badge with a rainbow on it originally. Just as they shouldn't have to state their religious or political preferences.

WFHforevermore · 01/10/2025 14:54

If this is real, which i highly doubt, post pics of the badges.

I wouldnt wear a rainbow badge at all, but also wouldnt choose to wear a badge openly opposing it. Id want a plain badge.

Littlebitpsycho · 01/10/2025 14:55

Horsehow · 01/10/2025 14:22

Exactly! Totally discriminatory of wholly legally held beliefs. I’d never apply for such a job as if someone told me they were non binary it would take all the will in the world not to burst out laughing.

This!

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 01/10/2025 14:55

Unless you think the rainbow one is ‘anti straights’, then the red one is not ‘anti lgbt’.

Not everyone wants to proclaim a partiality for one group over another.
We are all covered by protected characteristics- our sex, our sexuality, our age… as well as others like gender reassignment, religion, disability that not everyone connects with.

Why would we be signalling support for some and not others?

Dbank · 01/10/2025 14:55

I hope it doesn't come as a shock, but it's okay for someone to have different ideas to you. Ironically that's the core of the LGBT+ message.

They may well be supportive of LGBT+, but not wish to wear a badge, or they might not wish to support them, it's their choice.

The reality is the LGBT+ community make up around 5% of the population and people may have different priorities in their lives.

DrowningInSyrup · 01/10/2025 14:55

Does the red mean they are against LGBT rights? Or is it just a badge that announces nothing to no one. I miss the times when a rainbow was just a rainbow.

CocoPlum · 01/10/2025 14:55

I wouldn't want one, not because I'm anti LGB but because I don't agree with the T (and feel those letters signify very different things).

How do you show on your badges that you support those with mental health issues, disabilities, all religions?

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