To think it's a bit harsh to say people who've never worked shouldn't get benefits?

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Was reading another thread where many were saying if someone has never worked they shouldn't get any benefits but couldn't comment because it had reached 1000 comments.

I know this might be an unpopular opinion but I don't agree because that would include young mums who can't work because they have a baby to look after. Most of them will get a job when their child is a little older. Why are they any different from older mums who've fallen on hard times and need help?

And I know people will say it's because they've never worked and haven't proven themselves unlazy etc and could be on the dole forever but why should they have their lives ruined just because of something people think MIGHT happen.

Safe sex messages passed you by?

What a spectacularly stupid suggestion. If a man says ‘I’d like to wear a condom’ and a woman say ‘please don’t’ AND you aren’t in a long term committed relationship then that’s a big red flag. And if you are in a long term committed relationship then contraception choices and future plans should be agreed and understood by everyone involved

we are all responsible for our choices and actions

What the government is going to do if the taxes raised are not enough to finance everyone and everything

Unfortunately you don’t need to be old, nor intelligent to have sex. I was 6 years old the first time someone had sex with me. Maybe if I had been older or more intelligent I could have stopped the 60+ year old man?

So many people have no idea of how life is outside of their perfect, privileged lives.

As do I, i was diagnosed with crippling arthritis in my spine at age 21. I’m in pain every day. I still work.

No. That wasn’t having sex and I am so sorry that happened to you. You, and your younger self, could never be at fault.

Well, the chose to get pregnant. So I can see the logic of them not being entitled to any benefits. But kids make mistakes so letting them end up homeless doesn't really help either.

You’re full of compassion aren’t you. Who decides in your adoption utopia who gets to keep their baby and who doesn’t? If they go on to get a job a couple of years later can they reclaim their child? What about someone who has children but then loses their job or is diagnosed with something that prevents them working, will you take their child away?

Contraception and abortion are free. It's fairly straightforward not to have a child at 16.

I went back when my child was 6 weeks, but you know it isn't a race to the bottom right? Just because I had to, I wholeheartedly support 1 year paid maternity leave for women because it's best for the child and for the mother.

If employers paid a living wage to workers, particularly women, the government wouldn't have to subsidise them by paying UC to working women. That will save a huge amount.

The father should be paying.. I don't have problem if someone ends up in a difficult situation and needs temporary help, however perhaps not so much nowadays, but for a while bacame a life choice, young girls were getting pregnant to get house and benefits. That helped no one.

May have been mentioned already, but the current queen consort of the UK has never worked, apart from a very brief spell as an office temp. I know this thread is about benefits, but just saying.

What about a woman who lies about being on the pill? Isn't she guilty?

"It's not that I think you're lying about the pill, babe. I just don't want to catch an STI".

The thing every woman wants to hear from their partner lol.

Morally yes but how could you be sure in the same way as a man clearly not wearing a condom? There is a miniscule chance of failure with the pill. And nobody is going to prosecute a woman in the same way as a man would be for 'stealthing'.

Is she claiming JSA?

It's not 'stronger emotions', it's immaturity and selfishness 🤷‍♀️

Choosing to have a baby with no ability to actually take care of that baby financially isn't exactly responsible.
That is not a 'safety net', that is a lifestyle choice

Not in law no.

Love this!

The girl I knew that had a baby at 15 had no idea she was pregnant until she was giving birth on the toilet. Not that uncommon in teens apparently.

IMO there is not a one size fits all solution.

I can show you a family, including cousins, where 3 generations along and up across the entire family (so that includes Uncles and Aunts as well as grandparents and children who choose to leave school early) have not held down a job or/for any extended period of time.

I know of this family as for the last 7 years, we have offered one member on-going work at a very good rate of pay.

He manages 3 days at most, has to be paid daily because he is unable to organise enough fuel for the vehicle of the day to get to work the following day, and by day 4 has been arrested or has some drama at home needing to be solved. That is if he didn't use mute on his mobile so the alarm wouldn't wake him in time.

We have even organised for people to pick him up at home to get him to work. 35 years old. Old enough to know better...

Hard to know at times if the ''drama of the day'' is actually the truth or he just wants to go and do something else instead.

I've sent him home with groceries from my pantry and freezer to keep the family of 4 going in meals for the following days, but then extended family drop in and eat what we have given! That same extended family also doesn't work for very long because ''they didn't like it there''.... (large supermarket chain packing shelves).

Both sets of grandparents also do not work but have gone from unemployment benefits to aged pensions now. One of them is in state care.

We have never been contacted by the benefit provider as to why he is in and out of employment with us.

On the flip side, I can show you a family who work full time but are struggling to keep up with the cost of living. Everything is budgeted to the final coin. They keep the same car going, there's no extras for themselves and they do not drink. They are really trying to hold things together but it's tough.

So to answer your question, I know who I would prefer to see receive additional financial help and support.

Quite alot of people just don't have insight into how awful some peoples lives can be from birth.
You can plainly see in statistics how employment correlates with the situation you are born into. Kids who have grown up in care, for example, have high unemployment rates..
So you get people looking at other people thinking they are lazy and feckless but they aren't thinking about what led up to that point. And it doesn't solve anything to be harder on people actually.. it just often entrenches poverty and makes it generational.
The real issues aren't being addressed.
Fund social services properly... fund the NHS properly.. fund education properly.. before you even start to think about taking benefits away from people who have never worked

What about young people leaving care who have no parents to go to?

Notwithstanding arguments based on circumstances, we have a fertility crisis and should be throwing money at people to have more kids, to its an easy "YANBU" on that basis alone.

I doubt the Queen consort needed benefits to survive.

So thats irrelevant