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The autumn budget should cut benefits before increasing tax

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Leett · 25/09/2025 05:39

There is talk of Labour breaking their election pledge and increasing income tax by 2p. I doubt they'd do that because voters will revolt. However they need to do something with the state pension due to increase by 4.7% next year.
I really hope they cut benefits / pensions before the deciding to increase taxes.

OP posts:
lazyarse123 · 25/09/2025 08:17

Ccsvs · 25/09/2025 07:21

Yup and that's on them for working minimum wage jobs. If they want to make ends meet either get a better job or work more hours.

Fml where are all these mythical well paid jobs? You do realise we need a lot of people to do so called low paid jobs like carers, cleaners and retail staff. Not every working age person has the capacity to do longer hours either because they have an illness that allows them to work but not full time or children or elderly parents to care for thus saving the state money.

wwyd2021medicine · 25/09/2025 08:18

Getting rid of net zero would be a good step

Colourpurplepalette · 25/09/2025 08:18

TeenLifeMum · 25/09/2025 08:15

It meant small companies (1.5 people in my dad’s case) were hit disproportionately and he was double taxed. He set up as a consultant after the last redundancy round. Not earning millions or anything.

If you are a true consultant IR35 didn’t affect you at all though. It affected people who were working as a full time employee for a company and claiming to be a consultant so they could avoid paying PAYE and instead run the money though their company to pay less tax.

ComfortFoodCafe · 25/09/2025 08:18

PoppyFleur · 25/09/2025 08:14

The welfare budget is not a drop in the ocean, it’s 11% of GDP. By the end of this decade it will be around 15% of GDP. That is not a drop in the ocean.

Im on about those who are working age though.
what is it without pensions & attendance allowance?

ComfortFoodCafe · 25/09/2025 08:19

wwyd2021medicine · 25/09/2025 08:18

Getting rid of net zero would be a good step

They will never get rid of it, ed would have a meltdown.

Bumblebee72 · 25/09/2025 08:19

Colourpurplepalette · 25/09/2025 08:11

And Andy Birman was commenting that he was sick of being at the back and call of the bond market while mentioning nothing about how to start getting the debt down, merely talking about how to give more money away eg 2 child benefit cap.

I voted for Labour thinking they understood this sort of stuff. I’m so disappointed. They’re bloody idiots who’ll sink this country. Spending needs to be cut drastically but they’d rather keep their heads in the sand.

If you don't want to be at the beck and call of the bond markets you need to borrow less from them. You can't blame the bank for the the size of your mortgage.

Upstartled · 25/09/2025 08:19

There's a complete reluctance to reckon with the way things are, as opposed to the way things were or the way people want things to be and the moment and MP tries to disabuse people of that misunderstanding then they are punished for it.

If we are lucky, France will go to the wall and we'll have a working example of what happens when people indulge in that delusion before we run out of time to do something about it ourselves.

Musicaltheatremum · 25/09/2025 08:20

padso · 25/09/2025 07:10

The triple lock should absolutely be paused. Free prescriptions at over 60 is ridiculous

Come to Scotland. Everyone gets free prescriptions. It's great, and free bus passes from 60. Of course we pay more tax to get them...sadly our other services are appalling. Especially health and education but no... keep the free prescriptions. It's crazy.

HoskinsChoice · 25/09/2025 08:20

I'll never understand why people want pensions cutting. Do they not realise that they will grow old and benefit from it? It's so naive. We absolutely have to protect pensions at all costs, it is our priority.

TigerRag · 25/09/2025 08:20

NuovaPilbeam · 25/09/2025 08:13

They need to tighten up the criteria for pip and lcwra etc. Yes it would be nice if everyone who found life/work tough didnt have to work, but we can't afford it. It's also not actually good to not work, if you have things like anxiety or depression work can actually help.

i know pip is an in work benefit but in reality the vast majority who receive do not work, and afford to live not working because they receive pip

As you've been through assessments for both you'd know how difficult they are to get

They need to sort the pip assessment out so that so much money isn't wasted by so many going to tribunal and winning. 70% win so there's clearly something wrong with the assessment

TeenLifeMum · 25/09/2025 08:21

ComfortFoodCafe · 25/09/2025 08:09

Theres a issue for people with autism/neruodivergence that id like options on.
Currently anyone with neurodivergence cannot work in the miltary - which puts these people at a big disadvantage. (Already you say autism in a normal job interview and you can see them mentally frowning thinking how can we accomodate them if we employ them.)
Do you think the miltary should open their ranks to these people? i do, i think they would thrive on the routine etc. it would certainly get a lot off benefits so to speak.
Things like this need fixing before you can chuck a load of people off benefits.

Edited

I have very mild asthma, my friend’s son has a peanut allergy. Neither of us can work in the military either. Devastating for my friend’s son - less so for me.

we have many ND employees so I probably am rather base about it in general terms. Our data team and many doctors have many autistic employees - their approach is beneficial.

i think the challenge in understanding comes because there’s a huge difference between high functioning and those with huge developmental delays.

Gingernessy · 25/09/2025 08:21

PleaseHelpIAmGoingToLoseIt · 25/09/2025 08:12

I work full time.

I can’t afford a mortgage or rent, because they’ve spiralled out of control. Pensioners are the largest group of benefits claimants. They are the ones costing the most.

meanwhile, I will never get a penny from my state pension, so I am literally paying to prop you up.

You're not propping me up thanks.
I work full time and get no state top ups.
I have 20+ years before I'm eligible for a state pension.

angelos02 · 25/09/2025 08:22

Totally agree OP. I read somewhere that there are rumours of scrapping the 2 child benefit cap? Eh? I thought they were trying to save money not spend more.

PleaseHelpIAmGoingToLoseIt · 25/09/2025 08:23

TigerRag · 25/09/2025 08:13

Do you really want people driving who shouldn't be because they're developing the start of dementia, etc? Many would qualify on the basis of disability

it just wouldn’t happen, would it.

they should all be means tested. The prescription charge should be cut in half but payable by everyone.

BernardButlersBra · 25/09/2025 08:23

Mycatissohandsome · 25/09/2025 06:31

I have never understood why pensioners MUST get a proper raise of at least inflation every year while working families are expected to take the hit year on year of below inflation payrises, which are effectively pay cuts.

Simple - No political party want to lose the vote of the group with the biggest turn out. Fuck the younger generation though, they can screw them over all all they like.

Literally this. Someone needs to abolish the triple lock as it’s way too expensive to maintain and not fair on the working person

Sharptonguedwoman · 25/09/2025 08:24

Doodlingsquares · 25/09/2025 06:26

I have never understood why pensioners MUST get a proper raise of at least inflation every year while working families are expected to take the hit year on year of below inflation payrises, which are effectively pay cuts.

There seems to be this expectation that working families can just weather this, while pensioners supposedly have no capacity to weather a tiny reduction in their purchasing power at all.

Meanwhile we all know that many pensioners have no mortgage or housing costs to pay, free bus travel, and concessionary rates for loads of stuff like leisure centre access, days out, tickets etc.

Every year workers suffering 3 or 4% inflation get offered crappy payrises often 1 or 2% below inflation, pay eroded for years on end, yet heaven forbid anyone go near the triple lock 🙄

I think maybe you have swallowed the myth that all pensioners are wealthy. They are not. Many have very limited budgets. They may own their homes but have very low incomes, surviving on the state pension alone, possibly with pension credits. Don't be fooled.

ComfortFoodCafe · 25/09/2025 08:25

Isnt part of the reason we are f*cked because of the 2008 banking crisis? When the banks sold & loss billions of pounds? Whatever happened to that… why didnt the goverment try and claim that money back from the banks?
also what happened to the fraudulent covid company claims? i know a woman given 50k for a jam making business that she makes about £500 a year from… that all just got forgotten about too. Why is it always benefits? Why not go after the ones who scammed the tax payers?

EasternStandard · 25/09/2025 08:25

ComfortFoodCafe · 25/09/2025 08:18

Im on about those who are working age though.
what is it without pensions & attendance allowance?

Do you mean this?

The independent Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts that the bill for health and disability benefits will reach £100bn by 2030.

Digdongdoo · 25/09/2025 08:25

HoskinsChoice · 25/09/2025 08:20

I'll never understand why people want pensions cutting. Do they not realise that they will grow old and benefit from it? It's so naive. We absolutely have to protect pensions at all costs, it is our priority.

What's naive is thinking the state pension will still exist in 20 years. We won't benefit from it either way.

Bumblebee72 · 25/09/2025 08:26

angelos02 · 25/09/2025 08:22

Totally agree OP. I read somewhere that there are rumours of scrapping the 2 child benefit cap? Eh? I thought they were trying to save money not spend more.

They have no clue what they are doing. The last thing we need is the workshy having more children. They should take the cap down to one child. If you want more than one child pay for it your fucking self. They probably end up putting employers NI up again - keep fucking up business.

PleaseHelpIAmGoingToLoseIt · 25/09/2025 08:26

Sharptonguedwoman · 25/09/2025 08:24

I think maybe you have swallowed the myth that all pensioners are wealthy. They are not. Many have very limited budgets. They may own their homes but have very low incomes, surviving on the state pension alone, possibly with pension credits. Don't be fooled.

Well then maybe they should have gone without during their working life and saved.

or is that only for my generation, who are berated for every purchase they make

herbalteabag · 25/09/2025 08:26

Bumblebee72 · 25/09/2025 08:09

I think they should just be enough to survive at the bare minimum.

To survive at the bare minimum you need quite a lot these days.

Hardhaton1 · 25/09/2025 08:26

Sharptonguedwoman · 25/09/2025 08:24

I think maybe you have swallowed the myth that all pensioners are wealthy. They are not. Many have very limited budgets. They may own their homes but have very low incomes, surviving on the state pension alone, possibly with pension credits. Don't be fooled.

Are you aware that pensions including state pension credits for one single person is more than a single parent with two children would be expected to live on ?
They generally don’t own their own homes out right

Upstartled · 25/09/2025 08:26

It's not shall we tinker with the triple lock or shall we have fewer recipients on out of work benefits or should there be departmental cuts - we are delaying the inevitable answer that it is - all of the above. This is all on the never-never and our creditors are out of patience.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 25/09/2025 08:26

Bryonyberries · 25/09/2025 08:15

After housing and council tax costs are taken out the bog standard single person UC payment is £400 a month to live on. I don’t think anyone is able to pay bills and eat on that amount any more. They need to look at reducing cost of living so more money starts flowing through the system again.

And how much do you think it's left over for someone who is not in receipt of UC, who does not get Council Tax reduction, or housing paid and all the additional reductions UC brings?

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