AIBU to expect MPs - lawmakers - to stay in the room when their party is debating a policy to uphold the law as it stands?

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The Liberal Democrat conference has just rejected a proposal to amend its policy on representation to reflect the recent Supreme Court ruling that sex means biological sex. This means that men who self-identify as women can still apply to sit as women on party governance bodies. This is against the law, as well as meaning that women are even less likely to be properly represented.
Members of Parliament absented themselves from the room while this was debated, an act of cowardice that clearly demonstrates their contempt for women and women’s rights.

https://x.com/LibVoice4Women/status/1969330162844995934

Idiots.

I do wish the Libdems would sort themselves out. Even as a counterpoint to Labour/Tories, they are needed.

They are utter 🤡.

I can’t believe I’ve previously voted for such a morally bankrupt party.

A centrist party with an approximately sensible position on sex-based rights could potentially hoover up a lot of LOC votes as matters stand.

But the LDs at least debating this might qualify as progress. A member I know who attends conferences told me that at Spring Conference in 2023, the Conference Committee accepted for debate a motion on sex-based rights, but the trans-activists successfully used a procedural motion to prevent the debate taking place. My friend commented that he thought this was illiberal!

They did the same again this time to prevent any discussion or debate about the possibility if fixing their unlawful policies.

Some bloke with long hair, Lucas think, put forward a procedural motion to cancel the women’s group motion and his won.

The MPs just distanced themselves from the whole thing apparently and left the room. Utterly brainwashed and abject failures in their representation of constituents.

They never stop beclowning themselves over this issue do they? How are MPs who are unable to stay in a room and listen or discuss the law of the land and the rights of women, going to be able to deal with Putin, Ukraine, Trump, poverty, immigration or the shedload of other challenges facing the country?

If they lack the intellect and insight to engage, then they're morally and intellectually unfit to govern. Utter fools.

I raised single sex spaces (and their necessity for safeguarding women and children) with a Lib Dem canvasser on my doorstop recently. She (yes, biological female) couldn't leave fast enough. I more or less said a variation of the Sal Grover quote - if you're going to lie about something so basic as biological sex, then why would I believe anything else you say?

I did mention truth, honestly, integrity and scientific facts (canvasser had previously talked about how the Lib Dems are keen on making policies 'evidence based'). I said I can't vote for a party who I can't trust on something this basic. I felt she was keen to get away and didn't even attempt discussion (the doorstepping equivalent of walking out?). So I'll be voting for someone else.

I responded to a LD candidate’s leaflet by emailing the address given with my query as to whether she supported single sex spaces and got an immediate brush-off (characterising my views as bigoted) followed by an express refusal to engage any further.

I wonder if she was at conference this morning.

I find it bizarre that they say they want your vote but then are so ideologically wedded to something that is literally bonkers and no sane person will vote for and certainly no-one who gives much of a shit about their daughters, sisters, wivers or mothers (i.e. most people).

I mean we're not talking about transsexuals here (who I think increasingly are trying to move away from transactivism as it's made their lives harder - e.g. Miranda Yardley), we're talking any man who mutters 'I'm a woman' must henceforth be treated as one and have access to all women and girl children at all times. No other requirements necessary. It's a clear and obvious safeguarding disaster in schools for a start.

The only reason it hasn't been more of an issue in voting so far (bar the Trump election, though obviously that's not the UK) is that most people weren't aware of the level of insanity. Stunts like walking out when women are talking about single sex spaces only brings sunlight to the cult-like nature of the ideology.

Who can bear to sit through all the same old arguments yet again, though?

The vote’s a different matter but I can’t blame them for not sitting through the debate.

The issue was straightforward, to replace Article 2.5, which is illegal, with the new text, which complies with the law. It’s not much of a “debate”.

See also the Scottish Greens, whose new co-leader said last week that if you didn't believe transwomen are women, they dont want your vote.

A quote from Zoe Hollowood of LibVoice4Women:

She added: “People laughed in the hall when I said free speech is under pressure - then they voted for no debate.

It’s interesting that these canvassers can’t even answer basic questions or defend their position. How crazy that the Lib Dem’s literally refuse to make their policies harmful. I’d say that an absolute basic for a political party - to adhere to the law.

That £million or so donation from the puberty blockers company was clearly money well spent! It raises the question of who else can buy the LDs.

It's so bloody insulting to say that being a woman is a feeling. My female body has brought me great joy and great pain. Can I identify out of endo? Menopause? Female sub fertility? Ectopic pregnancy? Agonising periods? Flooding? No! It's not wearing a bit of lipstick or a skirt, it's having had a potential baby cut out of me so I could survive as they were growing in the wrong place, having an ablation to remove my endometrial lining and growing and birthing beautiful dd. It makes me increasingly angry and insulted that being a woman is being diminished to a bloke's (usually horny) feelings. Just fuck off (yes, I am now pre-menopausal and the next rung on the treadmill of womanhood has ended my patience).

It also raises a question about their judgement. If someone can so easily be persuaded that men can become women by simply saying so, what other belief with no rational basis can they be persuaded of? What else will they lie about? They are not clear thinkers, they are gullible, they are ideologically driven.

Absolutely. And I find it downright weird that they can't grasp how it undermines trust. It's exactly the same as if the party declared fealty to Flat Earthism.

There's such a disconnect for so many politicians over all this. All the evidence now (Cass etc) about harm to children. It's clearly evidenced that no women anywhere in the world demanded men in our changing rooms, hospital wards, sports etc.
Yet these politicians demonstrate a clear disdain for the rights and safety of women and girls more fitting for the Victorian era. They drone on about men's rights to access undressed women and girls, ignore child safeguarding and are unable to engage in democratic discussion - just like the Victorians.

I would very much like to see the LDs taken to court over this. I’d support a crowdfunder.

This is what moral corruption looks like.
I hate the way that all these Liberal Democrat blokes will (rightly) have a pop at Trump and Musk for being dangerous and authoritarian -while they themselves angrily reject democratic debate because they apparently know better than the less-than people, women and girls. Unbelievably as a political party this blind enforcement of a sexist article of faith now means they would rather actively cling on to policies that are illegal

I mean who do they think that they are? (Apart from stinking hypocrites)
In what ‘human rights are just for men’ universe do they live in? Why do women and girls have to allow their bodies, opportunities and freedoms to be accessed and decided by men like this? Why doesn’t female safety, dignity and privacy mean anything to these guys?

These are the same preeningly educated people who will smugly sneer and chortle at something like homeopathy or faith schools or anti vax anti-scientific views, while actively promoting these terrible unscientific authoritarian views themselves.

The world and our political landscape are so fucked up right now that we really need strong healthy opposition parties to oppose policies that are illiberal and undemocratic. I really admire the Lib Dems’ female members not letting this go quietly and I really hope they take the party to court for this.

It makes me increasingly angry and insulted that being a woman is being diminished to a bloke's (usually horny) feelings. Just fuck off (yes, I am now pre-menopausal and the next rung on the treadmill of womanhood has ended my patience)

Well said.

We have LD canvassers calling round from time to time. I hope they all get prepared as this WILL be the topic I raise with them.

I am still flabbergasted that a political party has such little respect for the rule of law and women that they are determined just to ignore it all and carry on.

We need to make sure everyone understands what absolute shysters they are.