To wonder how people are coping?

[CobbleWobble]

We are very lucky, I know this.

We are "Mumsnet rich" both have professional jobs with good salaries (£170k household income) and yet this last 12 months:

• removed children from private school
• changed how we do the weekly shop to reduce costs
• cut subscriptions (like Disney+ etc)
• reduced what I bought in the back to school shop
• decided against a holiday in October half term
• concerned about our usual Christmas food order

What is going on? I just don't understand why or how prices are rising as they are or how people on less than us are coping!

I'm extremely grateful we have the things to cut that we have but we've also had to remortgage this year which has doubled our mortgage payments and then our utilities have increased and the food shop has just got insane.

We have other things we can cut - a holiday in the UK, Netflix, the monthly takeaway but its just miserable to think we may need to do that just not to be living.

Happy to post spending particulars if people are finding it hard to see where I'm coming from.

So AIBU to think that as a country we cannot go on with prices rising like this? How are others coping?

I would hope on an income of £170K I could afford Disney!

However I'm really noticing that money just doesn't go as far as it used to! Just a couple of months ago I was paying for Disney, a running coach and physio totally £100+ and now we are wondering if we will have enough money to last us the month! Our mortgage has gone up by £100 though because of interest rates and the fact we borrowed an extra £10K and our energy has suddenly gone up too. Food I think has stayed the same.

We don't have a massive income (a bit less than £80K combined) and we do ok. Just ok really. We probably spend more than we need to on stuff but we don't worry about the food shop or the kids clothes. An overseas holiday is a stretch but a UK mini break is fine.

I would have hoped by now we could be living a bit more of a luxurious lifestyle but clearly we aren't so we have to make do and I'm just glad we can live "well" I imagine there are hundreds of people like us living "well" but not in the way we always though we would be on our income. My parents didn't earn half as much as we do and granted they only had one child but we still has one or two holidays a year abroad which suggests we were doing alright otherwise they would be the first thing to go.

It's frustrating that we are poorer now than we were earning less money. When my youngest was a baby we brought in half of what we do now, had 2 in nappies, one on formula, one part time nursery yet I could still get my nails done and work less hours. Maybe the kids are eating more (yes) clothes are more expensive (yes) and I need to pay for double the school holiday childcare costs instead of one child's part time nursery. Especially when we can't use the 20% off.

So I would hope that on your income I could pay for Disney, especially if you have pulled your kids out of private school. I know things have gone up but they haven't gone up that much!

My Xmas shop will be a bit more than our usual despite not entertaining because I always buy more alcohol and more food for us as a celebration. This will not be changing, we can suck up the extra cost even if we have to cut down somewhere else but I get that it shouldn't be this way..

True.

You’re haemorrhaging money somewhere to be struggling on that income!

Many people, myself included are on a quarter of your income and are managing to live comfortably whilst saving each month, without having a sacrifice holiday, subscriptions or treats.

Take a closer look at how you’re spending.

We have a combined income of £45k and can still afford luxuries and holidays while living in a 4 bedroom detached new build. What on earth are you spending your money on??

OP single parent household here. Earn about a quarter of what you have but manage a couple of foreign holidays, pay mortgage, gym membership, don’t sweat the bills. Perhaps live in a cheaper area?

You say you are worried about people in lower income brackets and I do acknowledge that there are many people who are genuinely struggling, the rises in interest rates has put many people in a precarious situation

however, I do often find posts like these make me realise what a wonderful position I am in.

our household income is 60k, I earn 32k and dp 28k so a fairly even split

our mortgage is £457p/m for a 3 bed end of terrace in Yorkshire,

we’ve had 1 week abroad in July this year, and 2 uk holidays. We are going abroad for a week for October half term

we run 2 cars, both old but very reliable so far

no family help money wise ever but also haven’t had to pay childcare as we were lucky enough to work opposite shifts when dc was younger (ds is 12 now)

we don’t have lots of savings but live a very good life, ds has travelled the world with us and we not only have Disney+ but also Netflix, prime and now tv

clearly I should stay on my 32k income as it sounds a much better quality of life

I was on £32K per year, just took on a new job for 6K more (not that I'll see any of it thanks to travel and dog-sitting - long story) and tbh, I would have been better off staying in my crap job and doing more hours at the bar I work at as a weekend job.

ATM I can afford things comfortably, but I've just bought a house and the mortgage is going to be twice what my rent is, yet is the cheapest house I could find to buy. I am not looking forward to the future.

I agree with you @CobbleWobble , things are extremely squeezy. While we have a joint income of a third of yours, our food shop has gone up probably 60% in the last 18 months or so and I’m now splitting the shopping between Aldi/Lidl and the other big supermarkets (because the discount shops don’t always have all the things we need) rather than just doing it under one roof to try and scrape a bit off the cost. We’re eating less meat, drinking less coffee and wine, buying nearly all clothes on Vinted, takeaways about every 3 or 4 months rather than once a month, and almost never going for a lunch or even a coffee out. our incomes have stayed fairly constant while prices have just risen and risen. Our lifestyle is inherently frugal and we used to be able to live well even on our lower incomes, but once I’ve looked at our food shop and taken out the possible savings from there, there isn’t much else we can look at to cut back on. Everything else is a fixed or non-negotiable cost, like fuel to get to work, bus fares, milk, that sort of thing.

I actually don’t think your food spend pm is high at all. 600 is only 150 per week. With food prices at the moment that will be tight with animal food too. Plus that doesn’t include takeaways/coffees out etc.

I’d try to reframe it if I were you - rather than having to ‘cut back’ you’re having to choose between different luxuries; you’ve chosen to prioritise making extra pension payments over private education, you’ve chosen having your house cleaned over takeaways/ eating out, you’ve chosen to part time work (with school age children) over a half-term holiday, you’ve chosen spending on children’s activities over subscriptions and Christmas food.

what a joke. 17 maybe?

Our mortgage is £2k so a bit less than yours but our household income is about £60k less... we have a child in nursery with a £800 bill each month and we are.. I wouldnt say struggling. Not overly comfortable - not huge amounts in savings and unexpected bills scare us a little but we can still afford nice dinners and days out, a few holidays etc

Someone has said £800k buys a 3 bed terrace in a fairly crappy part of London. What sort of house do you think someone who earns £170k should live in? Earning £170k - no matter what you do - is stressful. Hospital consultant with peoples lives in their hands, magic circle lawyer working 20 hour days. Investment banker with an insane amount of pressure and a high chance of redundancy. And all you people on here - hundreds of posts - going on and on about ‘I live in a one bed hovel and step over needles and used condoms to get to my front door but it suits me fine. Why don’t you do the same?’ Or ‘I buy clothes from sweatshops like Shein and primark and don’t worry about the ethics so why should you?’ Or ‘why can’t you live off lentil bake for the rest off your life?’.

Living in London is extortionate even for those earning the top 1%. Earning the top 1% is no where near the top 1% of wealth due to housing costs. Is someone earning £170k not allowed to want to live somewhere where they’re not likely to get stabbed, shop in next and eat in Sainsburys? Is that what we’re saying? If so life in the UK seems pretty shit.

It’s the mortgage for you, surely. I think lots of people overstretched themselves when interest rates were low.

When I took out my mortgage I calculated that I could still afford it if rates rose to 10%. Sure it wouldn’t be great but I wouldn’t have to cancel everything else. Looking at historic rates it didn’t seem impossible we’d be there again at some point.

The bank would have lent me twice the amount. I chose an area and house that was future proof. (Spoiler: it’s smaller than all my friends’ houses, but we’ll pay it off in 10 years!)

@CobbleWobble OP I suggest you ask MN to remove your post or… just disconnect your internet altogether. That will help you save (said jokingly)! Because there will be endless post saying how well off you are and how can you not manage on that! Don’t expect any sympathy for having less disposable income or for the fact that you had to disrupt your kids schooling away from private schooling because you’re on the wrong forum for that.
Joking aside it is disheartening to see your money gets you less - I get it. And I also agree that as a country the UK needs a solution and fast because it doesn’t look like it’s going to improve any time soon. To be honest I feel like since Brexit no one is really governing but it’s just been putting out fire after fire 😞

I feel since then its like a school with no teacher. Everyone is running riot the more responsible trying to put out the fires but failing to catch them all

Yes, we could have upgraded easily when rates were very low (actually they still are, historically) I well remember a conversation along the lines of the difference between 2% and 4% isn't 2%, it's double, so we decided we couldn't afford it.

That is a better analogy. I do worry very much about the future for the UK.

Looking at historic rates it didn’t seem impossible we’d be there again at some point.

Since the double figured rates of the past aren't too dissimilar to the recent 5/6% because of the cost of houses when did we historically have rates of 10% with current house price vs salary ratios?

Someone has said £800k buys a 3 bed terrace in a fairly crappy part of London

Excuse me! I said my area wasn't naice, it isn't crappy 😆

magic circle lawyer working 20 hour days

they will be earning a lot more than 170k, partners will be on 2m!

I'm actually finding I'm putting more into savings now, the cost of things has got so bloody expensive I cant bear to spend the money on those things anymore. A large glass of wine in the pub is £12 here now, I'd rather not bother thanks! Saving me a fortune on meals and drinks.

I consider it spent as it’s in savings…meaning it’s not available to spend in the current account. We only pull from savings for certain things and emergency costs .

the savings is not leftover…it’s taken out first on payday and redistributed into savings accounts. Same with our personal spending. People talk about the lifestyle creep. We tried our best to avoid that.

I don’t know how you could have ever afforded private school for your kids unless you don’t have a very big mortgage!

I’ve started selling old stuff now instead of just giving it away. Shopping more at Aldi and being more choosy about which Christmas events we do rather than signing up to everything. Having more takeaways than meals out. We can still afford to eat out luckily, but feels hard to justify the increasing expense and the food seems not as good, and the service is lacking. Somehow when you’re spending twice as much your expectations are higher.

Also redundancy is a constant threat now. Think everyone is holding their breath.

I think that was the point she was trying to make in her OP.