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Hoarders with Husband/Partner

22 replies

JustDontGetHoarders · 14/09/2025 14:48

I am not one, I just love watching the TV shows when a big crew goes in and does a massive clean up. Very satisfying!!!
There are plenty of hoarders that have family but they live alone so they are in sole charge of every object that enters the home.
The one's I cannot get my head around are the hoarders that live with their husband/wife/partner and in some really awful cases children as well.
I really like a clean & tidy house and can't imagine a situation where I would allow my husband to keep whatever crap he fancied in our home (in some cases it is literally human shit in bags or animal waste everywhere) and just ignore it for 20+ years. If my husband had a mental health condition so bad that he couldn't throw actual rubbish away or started trying to fill rooms up with things he found in bins for example then of course I am throwing it away as soon as his back is turned as well as getting him to the therapist for help. The last thing I would do is ignore it and carry on living in their filth, even worse subject my children to living like that.
Does anyone know anyone living in these circumstances and know why they allowed it to get so bad? AIBU to think that they must have MH conditions of their own to let someone do that to their home?

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/09/2025 23:10

It depends if you see yourself as the kind of spouse that allows or doesn’t allow the other to do things or if you’re equal partners. I wouldn’t like a husband telling me what possessions I’m allowed to own in my own home. Although some negotiations and compromises are necessary

JohnofWessex · 14/09/2025 23:27

I now realise that an ex of mine was/is a hoarder

We never lived together so it was not an issue to me

Chattanoogachoo · 14/09/2025 23:35

I'd imagine it's a gradual process and a reaction to previous trauma.We all have types of hoarding we find acceptable, others not so much.I belong to a bibliophile group and recently a person asked how they would move home with 10k books.To most people in the group this was perfectly acceptable and practical solutions were offered.A few suggested a reduction in the books and were reminded they were in the wrong group.
I think many of those programmes you mention are voyeuristic for all the wrong reasons.

mathanxiety · 14/09/2025 23:47

It's probably a very complicated dynamic when there's a couple in the house. I voted YABU because hoarding is a mental illness, and a really, really tough nut to crack even when a hoarder is willing to admit there's a problem. Throwing away the hoard when the hoarder's back is turned is never the answer.

YANBU to enjoy those shows, though they are in the category of guilty pleasure for me.

nomas · 14/09/2025 23:56

Of course I am throwing it away as soon as his back is turned

This would do more harm than good. It angers the hoarder, destroys their trust in you and the hoarder begins the process of accumulation all over again.

Hoarding complex mental health issue that needs support, and help from a professional, not judgement and force.

JustDontGetHoarders · 15/09/2025 05:51

mathanxiety · 14/09/2025 23:47

It's probably a very complicated dynamic when there's a couple in the house. I voted YABU because hoarding is a mental illness, and a really, really tough nut to crack even when a hoarder is willing to admit there's a problem. Throwing away the hoard when the hoarder's back is turned is never the answer.

YANBU to enjoy those shows, though they are in the category of guilty pleasure for me.

I wouldn't throw away a hoard, that's my point. It wouldn't get to the point of being a hoard.
As an example, if my husband bought home a deflated football that he found in a bin and was going to patch it I would wait a day or so and bin it.

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ruethewhirl · 15/09/2025 06:12

I always used to feel uncomfortable watching How Clean Is Your House because of how they treated people's suffering as light entertainment, and all the tellings-off they dished out to people who were obviously struggling with their mental health. It was so often clear they were hoarders and needed help to manage their mental health, not to be chastised on national TV. (And yes, I do realise they must have agreed to be on the show, but I imagine that was probably more out of desperation than anything else, and in the early days of the programme they may not have even realised what they were letting themselves in for.)

I feel the same discomfort to some degree when watching Hoarders-type shows, but they seem to go about things a bit more sensitively and it's so nice to see the relief people feel from having their home 'de-stashed', so I don't get quite the same sense of people having been exploited from those.

It does make me sad when there are children involved, and I've noticed how often adult children say it's made them crave order in their own homes. But I don't necessarily think the hoarder's loved ones must have MH issues of their own to tolerate the hoarding. I think it's far more likely they just feel powerless to help the person they love. But, as a pp said, you can't 'treat' hoarding just by binning stuff, the root of the problem needs to be addressed.

InterestedDad37 · 15/09/2025 06:36

JustDontGetHoarders · 15/09/2025 05:51

I wouldn't throw away a hoard, that's my point. It wouldn't get to the point of being a hoard.
As an example, if my husband bought home a deflated football that he found in a bin and was going to patch it I would wait a day or so and bin it.

I get the 'throw it away' bit, and wish I'd done more of it. My ex wasn't a hoarder, but very much a "collector of things from skips that she was going to do up, renovate and use". The collecting happened, but the doing up etc never ever got started, and we just ended up with piles of other people's trash. I hated it.

StartingAgain25 · 15/09/2025 06:57

My MIL is a bit of a hoarder. She doesn't keep actual rubbish, but has mountains (and I mean it's literally piled up) of stuff and junk in every space in her home. Stacks of old newspapers, out of date bulk-bought baking ingredients, old jam jars, arts and crafts materials, old books including old text books which are decades out of date, old Christmas cards, old birthday cards, empty plant pots, mountains of old towels and bedding that is tatty and never gets used etc etc.
Her husband has one small room which he keeps looking immaculate, and doesn't make any attempt to fix the rest. He bumbles about looking broken by it all.
And yes, we've offered to help, but MIL gets nasty about getting rid of anything so I quickly turn to thoughts of "Ah well, fuck her".

PermanentTemporary · 15/09/2025 07:00

I think it’s easy to underestimate what mental
illness is actually like and what it’s like to live with. So you throw away that football and the other person then doesn’t leave their room for three days and has a visible black cloud over them? If you love them, wouldn’t it make you a bit cautious the next time they bring some piece of tat home? And so it begins.

Randomchat · 15/09/2025 07:17

Dh is heading towards hoarding territory. It's a reaction to his parents dying and clearing out the family home, I know it is. So I'm trying to be patient but it's not easy. He has an office crammed full of junk. The garage and garden shed are full of junk. I've managed so far to keep the living spaces free and that will be the tipping point for me.

But I don't know in reality what I will actually do when he seriously tries to expand his stuff. For now every time something appears in the living room for example I just remove it to one of his junk areas. But the junk areas are so full now I'm running out of options for that.

It's really shit. I dontthink a tv show would help him.

I'm like the husband a pp mentioned earlier, trying desperately to keep my little corners tidy and keeping my head down and ignoring the rest

JustDontGetHoarders · 15/09/2025 07:27

PermanentTemporary · 15/09/2025 07:00

I think it’s easy to underestimate what mental
illness is actually like and what it’s like to live with. So you throw away that football and the other person then doesn’t leave their room for three days and has a visible black cloud over them? If you love them, wouldn’t it make you a bit cautious the next time they bring some piece of tat home? And so it begins.

I do understand what you are saying.
I am not someone who can bumble along and ignore things though, especially with kids in the house. One person's mental health issues shouldn't ruin the lives of (in my case) the three other people that have to live there. Yes I would be sad that they spent three days in their room but from what I can gather this is part of the illnesses manipulation tactics. Perhaps if they realised a three day sulk made absolutely no difference they would be less inclined to bring their 'treasure' home?
Obviously I am not looking at this from the point of view of curing the hoarder - just as a way people that have to live with one can keep their home clear.

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Hohofortherobbers · 15/09/2025 07:48

I would not live with this, its either treated and cured or I'd leave them. Hoarding and making our home a rubbish heap would be my hard boundary

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 15/09/2025 08:00

If your partner wasn’t a hoarder and you threw away something they valued, would that be ok? That football they were going to patch ‘because it reminded them of the one they had when they were the same age as DS’, encompasses family memories, the desire to be a great dad, to relive his youth and keep DS fit and active and all sorts of great things.

If your partner isn’t a hoarder and you throw that out on day 2, that’s pretty awful behaviour on your part. Imagine your partner throwing away things you value and cherish! That would genuinely not be ok.

So the foot ball stays and you remind them to fix it and play with DS. Several times, then life gets busy and he’s brought home a tricycle. Then he gets upset and you suggest he gets counselling. So he’s on the list for counselling and while he waits there’s a few more things. Meanwhile you are keeping house, kids, husband fed and clean and tidy, going to work, managing his emotions, kids emotions, your emotions… you have a meltdown and he lets you throw away the football but frets about it and gets upset whenever DS play with his ‘non heritage’ football… he’d have loved the special football so much…

It creeps up on you even as you are fighting against it. And you’re exhausted too.

I have only managed to keep a lid on DH’s collecting by pointing out his irritation at his parents’ hoarding. It’s really helped him get a perspective on the way things build up. He still thinks everything he has is necessary, and only other people’s stuff is junk, though.

Elleherd · 15/09/2025 09:42

Hoarding rarely starts as an easily recognizable problem from the outset.
It sneaks up on people item and half finished sort out, or project at a time, and slowly changing abilities to let go, or stay in control, piece by piece. Life and health and time, change, and the once easy enough to tackle pile of boxes becomes something difficult to manage or fit into living. The partner piles more things on top of them, herding the individuals problem items, until it becomes their pile/s.

Emotional transference onto objects can be instant, or build slowly, and is sometimes more obvious, but not always. Often the joy at the acquisition stage, is appreciated and often joined in with by the partner. It's bringing joy to both, and only later does that wain in the face of the results.

Partners living with it, have usually attempted to counteract the effects of it, before some sort of balance of resigned acceptance / pay off / ignoring / depression evolves.
From what I've seen, changing tolerance of both living conditions and MH conditions sneak up on the partners quietly, creating a combination of acceptance, and very frequently getting the partners own 'questionable' or 'I'm doing this for me, regardless of cost' behaviors, effectively 'tolerated' as a pay off, before often depression sets in.

Generally the people on TV shows, are very extreme examples of people with hoarding disorder, just as the difference between people appearing on 'my 600lb life' and the majority of people not on TV battling weight issues.
Some periods of time, individuals and their families, are headed in the right directions, some periods, plateauing, or headed in the wrong direction.

The effects of most people's hoarding is kept in check at varying levels, by themselves and those they live with, and the need to have some level of functioning home, to some degree, just as most people's weight gain problems are kept under enough control to not render them unable to move around any more.
But there are also feeders, of both the overweight, and those with HD.
With HD it is possible to be a 'feeder' and exacerbate unaware, and unintentionally.

With actual hoarding disorder as opposed to many things that can mimic it,
forcible throwing away just breaks the relationship, and whatever trust may have been built, and deepens the urge and sub conscious dependence on possessions to give meaning, memory, joy, and a sense of self to life, instead of human relationships.

Most people with the disorder know that once the stuff is gone, the relationship also goes, unless they can religiously keep up whatever useful function they're currently providing. The partner needs them to be well, and they aren't.
Ending up without possessions or people is often a silent fear going on for those trying to reduce.

As for those therapists who can just be magicked up to fix or cure HD, as oppose to reinforcing the idea that it is a horribly impossible difficult disorder to treat; please, please, can we have a list of these unicorns?

General therapists are at their best for those with no idea why they do what they do, but it takes actual and it seems very rare, skills, when it comes to those who recognize they've transferred onto objects.

One of the things that can prevent a diagnosis of HD, is being self aware, which is actually shocking when you think about it.

HD is almost always a maladaptive sub conscious response to hidden internal pain and damage, that builds and builds, as the individual try's consciously or sub consciously to suppress what's going on inside.
The 'stuff' is the external growing symptom forcing a spotlight onto the internal disorder, and as with all symptoms, the warning that this person is not actually ok, even though they're doing an otherwise good job of seeming 'normal.'

Putting up with the 'stuff' can be a partners acceptance that they can't help their partner, but don't want to harm them further. Generally there are pay offs going on somewhere in these situations.

As with all disorders, trying to tackle unpleasant or annoying symptoms without tackling what they are symptoms of, doesn't work. It just helps lock the person back in with their internal disorders, so they can carry on being useful for those around them, while not being a nuisance to them with their problems.

Elleherd · 15/09/2025 11:00

JustDontGetHoarders · 15/09/2025 07:27

I do understand what you are saying.
I am not someone who can bumble along and ignore things though, especially with kids in the house. One person's mental health issues shouldn't ruin the lives of (in my case) the three other people that have to live there. Yes I would be sad that they spent three days in their room but from what I can gather this is part of the illnesses manipulation tactics. Perhaps if they realised a three day sulk made absolutely no difference they would be less inclined to bring their 'treasure' home?
Obviously I am not looking at this from the point of view of curing the hoarder - just as a way people that have to live with one can keep their home clear.

Sorry, I wrote a long post without seeing this one. I was responding to the original post about partners on TV hoarding shows.

You don't have to live with them. You are choosing to.
Please take hard note of that and own your behaviors, for your sanity and your childrens future, if you can't improve communication and work together with your partner, to ensure their problematic MH doesn't ruin your and the childrens lives, if you think that's a real possibility, rather than stuff he wants to keep annoys you.

Taking the shame out of it, being able to talk about it constructively and non judgmentally, and tackling the acquisition stage first, is a generally good approach that might help you both.

Recognize the difference between acquiring, and holding on to stuff and what they represent to him personally. There are different drivers and some parts of HD can be easier to keep under control than others.
tbh what I'm picking up about 'what you can gather' about HD says you've probably got off on the wrong foot and think you can control and out maneuver the symptoms of the bits of your partner that don't suit, in order to still benefit from what does. Understandable but on a hiding to nothing good.

JustDontGetHoarders · 15/09/2025 12:57

Elleherd · 15/09/2025 11:00

Sorry, I wrote a long post without seeing this one. I was responding to the original post about partners on TV hoarding shows.

You don't have to live with them. You are choosing to.
Please take hard note of that and own your behaviors, for your sanity and your childrens future, if you can't improve communication and work together with your partner, to ensure their problematic MH doesn't ruin your and the childrens lives, if you think that's a real possibility, rather than stuff he wants to keep annoys you.

Taking the shame out of it, being able to talk about it constructively and non judgmentally, and tackling the acquisition stage first, is a generally good approach that might help you both.

Recognize the difference between acquiring, and holding on to stuff and what they represent to him personally. There are different drivers and some parts of HD can be easier to keep under control than others.
tbh what I'm picking up about 'what you can gather' about HD says you've probably got off on the wrong foot and think you can control and out maneuver the symptoms of the bits of your partner that don't suit, in order to still benefit from what does. Understandable but on a hiding to nothing good.

My husband doesn't have HD - I've just used my family as an example in.one of my posts. I am purely talking about people I have watched on TV as I couldn't understand how their partner didn't do something before the hoard got out.of control.

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Elleherd · 16/09/2025 07:16

Fair enough, I understood better first time.
If your husband did have HD, you and your family dynamics would be entirely different from your current experience, as living with someone suffering mental illness deeply affects everyone around them, and changes the dynamic bit by bit.

The person staying in their room for three days isn't sulking, they're trying to come to terms with betrayal of trust, often vs a part of their brain trying to work out if they have the right to be treated as an equal in the relationship, because their whole thought process is different.

I hope some of the responses have helped you understand more and understand simple answers and solutions don't work dealing with complex problems.
But I appreciate the program's skate over a great deal and run to a format that suggests it's all a lot simpler than the reality, and people could just do X or Y.
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Try watching Jasmin Harman's 'My Hoarder Mum and Me,' for a more insightful look at families and HD. They got a lot wrong in how they tried to make it fit into filming schedules etc, but it came from a genuine place and shows the bewilderment and frustration of all 'sides' trying to live with and make sense of what this pernicious condition causes.
(she also made a series after that shows what happens when you approach with kindness, curiosity and understanding rather than judgement and frustration, that may be useful to others dealing with HD in their lives)

JustDontGetHoarders · 16/09/2025 07:25

I watched the Jasmin Harman program, she is a stronger woman than me and her love for her mum was very apparent.

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SoozyWoozy5 · 17/09/2025 17:32

PermanentTemporary · 15/09/2025 07:00

I think it’s easy to underestimate what mental
illness is actually like and what it’s like to live with. So you throw away that football and the other person then doesn’t leave their room for three days and has a visible black cloud over them? If you love them, wouldn’t it make you a bit cautious the next time they bring some piece of tat home? And so it begins.

No. Not at all..

GagMeWithASpoon · 17/09/2025 17:44

Sometimes the partner has their own mental health issues , including hoarding tendencies or physical health issues that prevent them from properly dealing with it.

Sometimes there are unhealthy dynamics at play like co dependency.

Sometimes it sneaks up on them over the years. Something that started as a hobby or a side business and it slowly creeps out. By the time they realise that nothing has been sold at the “market” in years , but stuff kept accumulating it’s too late.

It’s difficult to tackle it at the first deflated ball because to be honest, that’s controlling and shitty.

SpottyAardvark · 17/09/2025 17:52

It’s a boiled frog situation. At first it’s not so bad, they’re just untidy & selfish. Then you notice they buy pointless crap & struggle to throw away stuff which is objectively junk. Then it escalates from there and you put up with it because it’s the person you love and it’s easier than having constant arguments until one day you can’t get into your spare room and realise the situation is completely out of control.

Then you face a choice: leave the relationship or be dragged down with them.

Not everyone is strong enough to leave.

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