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Kier next.......?

58 replies

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/09/2025 13:38

Angela Rayner, Labour Housing minister caught fiddling her stamp duty by £40K.

Tulip Saddiq, Labour anti corruption minister suspended for corruption.

Rushanara Ali, Labour Homelessness minster resigns after evicting tenants, upping the rent and re-letting the house.

Andrew Gwynne, Labour Health minister gone after saying he hoped pensioner would die.

Louise Haige resigned after fraud conviction.

Likely super injunction regarding those three young men firebombing property linked to Kier Starmer.

Keir next to go? Yes = not unreasonable

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luckylavender · 05/09/2025 14:10

I don’t think Tulip was suspended

CoffeeCantata · 05/09/2025 14:11

I think many politicians today are of a lower calibre than a few decades ago. Yes, there were bad apples in the past but the level of sheer incompetence and disappointing behaviour from MPs of all parties in recent years is depressing. I’m not sure why this is (actually, I’ve got a theory or two but it would take a long and boring screed to explain).

I’m not a Labour voter but I thought Keir had integrity. But I haven’t followed this story in detail so am not qualified to comment beyond this.

BurntBroccoli · 05/09/2025 14:20

There’s been a lot more Tory scandals over the years!

2012

: Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell resigned after allegedly calling police officers “plebs” outside Downing Street, sparking a major political and public controversy.

Cash-for-access (Cruddas affair): Treasurer Peter Cruddas resigned when a sting revealed he offered access to the Prime Minister in exchange for donations of £250,000.

Phone-hacking fallout: The broader scandal involving the News of the World, the press, police, and politicians—including David Cameron’s communications with Rebekah Brooks—continued to roil Westminster.

2013–2014

Patrick Mercer lobbying scandal: Mercer resigned the Conservative whip in May 2013, caught on camera accepting money for lobbying. He later resigned his seat in April 2014 after a Standards Committee report recommended a six-month ban.

2015 election spending investigation: The Electoral Commission launched an investigation into Tory spending during the 2014 by-elections and the 2015 general election, citing potential underreporting of local campaign funds such as “battlebuses.”

2020–2021 (Pandemic era and beyond)

Dominic Cummings lockdown breach: The PM’s strategist broke COVID lockdown rules, leading to national outrage and damaging public trust.

lobbying (David Cameron): Cameron faced criticism for lobbying on behalf of Greensill Capital during the pandemic, though found not to have violated laws.

Matt Hancock scandal: Leaked footage showed Hancock breaching social distancing rules by embracing an aide. He resigned the next day.

Partygate: A series of gatherings at Downing Street during COVID lockdowns; Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak, and others received fines, and Johnson was later found to have misled Parliament.

Pandemic cronyism: Revelations of Tory-linked firms receiving government contracts at inflated prices or via VIP channels raised major ethical concerns.

2021

Owen Paterson lobbying scandal: Found to have breached paid advocacy rules by lobbying for companies that paid him. A government attempt to block his suspension triggered public outrage; he eventually resigned.

2022

Neil Parish (Tractorgate): Parish resigned after admitting to watching pornography in Commons after supposedly misclicking on tractor images.

Chris Pincher scandal: Accused of groping two men; revelations that Johnson knew of earlier complaints intensified the crisis. The episode triggered mass resignations and ultimately led to Johnson’s resignation.

2023

Cash/corruption controversies (under Sunak):

Nadhim Zahawi tax row: Zahawi was fined £5 million over undeclared tax on YouGov shares; he was eventually sacked.

Bullying allegations: Gavin Williamson resigned over bullying claims; Dominic Raab faced multiple formal complaints.

2024

Betting scandal around election date: Police and party staff were investigated for placing bets on the 2024 general election date; Conservative figures including Tony Lee and Nick Mason were implicated.

Frank Hester comments: National press donor and largest-ever Tory donor was reported to have made deeply racist remarks, creating uproar.

Crikeyalmighty · 05/09/2025 14:22

Well the Tory’s had various guys ( a vast selection in fact) with various very dodgy situations - didn’t one guy owe £6 million to HMRC - their leaders certainly didn’t resign on the basis of other people’s downfalls

FuzzyWolf · 05/09/2025 14:23

I don’t know that he will go next but I’d be pleased to see the back of him.

ShesTheAlbatross · 05/09/2025 14:30

What’s the super injunction stuff? The articles I can find about from June list the names, ages, and nationalities of the men charged, and say the trial is set for next year. Looks likely fairly standard reporting, and I wouldn’t expect any other news between now and the trial.

CoffeeCantata · 05/09/2025 14:30

Crikeyalmighty · 05/09/2025 14:22

Well the Tory’s had various guys ( a vast selection in fact) with various very dodgy situations - didn’t one guy owe £6 million to HMRC - their leaders certainly didn’t resign on the basis of other people’s downfalls

I don’t think it should be a race to the bottom between Labour and Conservative. I think MPs of both main parties are a disappointing lot these days.

WitchesofPainswick · 05/09/2025 14:32

And replaced with....?

Mistyglade · 05/09/2025 14:35

@BurntBroccoli thanks for this info👍🏼

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/09/2025 14:39

WitchesofPainswick · 05/09/2025 14:32

And replaced with....?

Rachel Reeves

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AlertLimeZebra · 05/09/2025 14:41

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ShesTheAlbatross · 05/09/2025 14:41

WitchesofPainswick · 05/09/2025 14:32

And replaced with....?

I actually don’t think he’ll resign anytime soon, nor do I think the Labour Party will get rid. But, if he were to go, I’d guess maybe Yvette Cooper, or Wes Streeting.
Streeting is very young to be PM though, he’s younger than Cameron was (although only by a year), and he was the youngest PM in about 200 years.

I’m not commenting on how good either of them would be. I just don’t see any other high profile Labour MPs who could possibly be elected leader. I don’t think they have a wide pool of realistic possibilities!

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 14:42

He surely at least deserves the same amount of scrutiny and leeway as the last government.

So no, he's got a long way to go before he has to leave

MoFadaCromulent · 05/09/2025 14:45

Are there people actually believe the two tier stuff or is it all just to build a momentum/picture in the public mind that can be repeated?

If there are on what basis?

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 14:48

MoFadaCromulent · 05/09/2025 14:45

Are there people actually believe the two tier stuff or is it all just to build a momentum/picture in the public mind that can be repeated?

If there are on what basis?

It's just the soundbites isn't it? They have a couple of catchy lines but that's it. You try and engage further and you just get the same lines regurgitated back at you.

BurntBroccoli · 05/09/2025 15:03

Mistyglade · 05/09/2025 14:35

@BurntBroccoli thanks for this info👍🏼

Yes it’s a nice reminder isn’t it! Surprising how you forget.

spoonbillstretford · 05/09/2025 15:04

I've always been a floating voter between Labour, Lib Dem, Green in general elections and I even voted for someone who is nominally a Conservative on the Parish Council as I liked her personally even if I didn't agree with all of her political views. I would never otherwise vote Conservative and clearly I'd never vote UKIP or Reform as they are an absolute bunch of arse.

I've never had a clear political home with any party but really don't get the hatred for Starmer other than that it feels completely manufactured. He seems a thoroughly decent man to me. This started on day one they got into office on Mumsnet before they had done anything.

People are just allowing themselves to be completely manipulated and that's what is really scary. The democratic process is being subverted by the far right and they are constantly trying to destablise the country.

BurntBroccoli · 05/09/2025 15:06

ShesTheAlbatross · 05/09/2025 14:41

I actually don’t think he’ll resign anytime soon, nor do I think the Labour Party will get rid. But, if he were to go, I’d guess maybe Yvette Cooper, or Wes Streeting.
Streeting is very young to be PM though, he’s younger than Cameron was (although only by a year), and he was the youngest PM in about 200 years.

I’m not commenting on how good either of them would be. I just don’t see any other high profile Labour MPs who could possibly be elected leader. I don’t think they have a wide pool of realistic possibilities!

Yvette Cooper as leader would be a massive mistake (and I’m a Labour supporter).

HelpMeGetThrough · 05/09/2025 15:13

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/09/2025 14:39

Rachel Reeves

🤣🤣

CagneyNYPD1 · 05/09/2025 15:22

How about the money that was siphoned off by the Tories and their cronies during Covid. The dodgy fast track lanes, dodgy PPE deals, billions wasted. That’s the money I want tracked down.

Yes, AR has been foolish. She should have sought proper tax advice. But her foolishness pales into comparison with previous Ministers/ Secretaries of State and their rinsing of the country.

jeaux90 · 05/09/2025 16:14

I want Wes. He seems pretty normal and actually has some class analysis about him.

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 05/09/2025 16:14

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 14:48

It's just the soundbites isn't it? They have a couple of catchy lines but that's it. You try and engage further and you just get the same lines regurgitated back at you.

Along with it's not far right..it's just right.
That one can piss right off as it's a mantra repeated by bozo's that don't have a clue.
I use the term extreme far right to distinguish the difference between legitimate right wing politics.

SeagullSam2027 · 05/09/2025 16:18

Reeves should be the next to go. The pressure is already building.

rubicustellitall · 05/09/2025 16:25

It is the stuff dreams are made of OP. Oh to see the back of that man would be a great day.

PeonyPanda · 05/09/2025 16:25

spoonbillstretford · 05/09/2025 15:04

I've always been a floating voter between Labour, Lib Dem, Green in general elections and I even voted for someone who is nominally a Conservative on the Parish Council as I liked her personally even if I didn't agree with all of her political views. I would never otherwise vote Conservative and clearly I'd never vote UKIP or Reform as they are an absolute bunch of arse.

I've never had a clear political home with any party but really don't get the hatred for Starmer other than that it feels completely manufactured. He seems a thoroughly decent man to me. This started on day one they got into office on Mumsnet before they had done anything.

People are just allowing themselves to be completely manipulated and that's what is really scary. The democratic process is being subverted by the far right and they are constantly trying to destablise the country.

Edited

Completely agree. I think he’s great. There are plenty of idiots around him, and I hate the power the unions hold over him, as I think he’s a clever, well qualified PM and if we let him get on with it he’ll steer a steady, moderate path.

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