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My Uncle has become very racist - AIBU to feel very hurt by what he says and block him

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similarissue · 01/09/2025 01:38

My uncle has had a challenging time recently. One of his daughters (in her early 20s) has non verbal autism and lots of difficult behaviours, he has had a big fight with the council to get sufficient care. Under a lot of stress he behaved unacceptably and ended up, quite rightly, in jail for violent behaviour. Whilst he was in prison she was placed, and remains, in a secure mental health unit. Not the right place for her but the local authority say they have no other way of caring for her. My uncle has now been released and is extremely angry.

He has in recent years become a bit obsessed with conspiracy theories, was pro Brexit, anti vax and now campaigns for Reform and is very anti immigrant. I appreciate we all have different views but he's just so angry and aggressive. Very intense and dogmatic - you are either with him or against him. Last week he called me ranting and raving about immigrants. How his daughter would be home with him getting the care she needed if it wasnt for immigrants. How everything is 'their fault'. I find this relentless aggression very hard. I am mixed race. My dad (his brother) and his Mum were asian. He claims it's different as we were all born here. He also says his Dad (who was born in China and spoke no English) was a 'different type' of immigrant. When pressed he admits it's 'the asians' he has a problem with. I've challenged him about the racism - pointed out that he's talking about us but he won't have it (apparently Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson talk a lot of sense).

Our last call was extremely difficult and I think a turning point - following one of his rants, I asked how he expected me to respond. That what he was saying - was hurtful. He said if he was racist so what he didnt care. I said I cared. I cared that he was my Uncle and was supporting people who would attack people like me and those I love for the colour of their skin. He put the phone down and we haven't spoken since. I think I am done. I appreciate he is vulnerable and people are exploiting his anger and upset but I dont want to have that kind of anger/ aggression or someone with those values in my life. But I do feel sad. My dad died and he's his only surviving brother - I thought he cared but apparently not. I shouldn't really be surprised he has many children who aren't in contact with him but it's just all so sad. He's going to end up very alone, is already bitter and angry and no-one will care. I worry about him getting involved in more violent acts but there is literally nothing that I can do.

I so loathe all the people who are stirring this up and making profit from it, leaving broken people (on all sides) with even less. It's so very sad. Where are the inspirational leaders when you need them? All so sad and very hurtful. AIBU to just cut him out now? WWYD?

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GarlicPint · 01/09/2025 01:50

YANBU. I understand it's complicated and you have competing emotional pulls, but it sounds as though you've already gone above and beyond in trying to help him see reason AND to smooth things over in light of your own perceived race.

You could tell him you care about him and wish the best for him and your cousin, but honestly can't cope with his strength of feeling on issues that upset you. Tbh, I'm not sure I'd even do this: I've tried it with a white supremacist family friend, and he practically started a war over it. What's that saying? You can't reason with unreasonable! (There's a pithier version, but it escapes me just now.)

Stick to sending Christmas cards.

OwlBeThere · 01/09/2025 01:55

Am I getting this right? Your uncle is mixed race himself, of East Asian descent? But it’s the South Asians he has an issue with?

yanbu either way. His behaviour is grim and no one needs that in their life.

JHound · 01/09/2025 01:58

I don’t understand why this is a hard decision. I would cut him off without a second thought.

Willquery123 · 01/09/2025 02:20

I have a close relative who immigrated (white, and from an English speaking country) who supports Brexit and is totally anti immigration.

You'd think after their experience they'd be more welcoming of others.

Meadowfinch · 01/09/2025 02:32

He's wrong, but he's seen the daughter he loves committed to a secure mental health institution rather than receive the care he believes she should have. And he wasn't around to protect and advocate for her. I can well understand that he is feeling anger, guilt, frustration & resentment, and he needs someone to lash out at, someone to blame.

All you can do is reiterate that you love him and his dd but you don't agree with him.

AcquadiP · 01/09/2025 03:03

So he's of Asian descent but has a problem with 'the Asians'? That's mad!
He sounds like an angry, bitter man who is blaming others for something they're not responsible for.
I think you should go minimum contact for the sake of your peace of mind. You can't reason with that level of stupidity and stubbornness, you're best just removing yourself from the situation.

PensionedCruiser · 01/09/2025 15:07

Meadowfinch · 01/09/2025 02:32

He's wrong, but he's seen the daughter he loves committed to a secure mental health institution rather than receive the care he believes she should have. And he wasn't around to protect and advocate for her. I can well understand that he is feeling anger, guilt, frustration & resentment, and he needs someone to lash out at, someone to blame.

All you can do is reiterate that you love him and his dd but you don't agree with him.

I think that's all @similarissue can do. I can understand her desire to have her Uncle (and cousin) in her life, but she really mustn't let him continue to hurt her with his words and actions.

It's quite ironic really, that he's bought into all the Farage/Yaxley-Lennon rhetoric when they and their ilk would go out of their way to push him under a bus himself. As for your cousin, I wish I could say that she's in a unique situation, but as we know in these days of council cuts, it is the most vulnerable and disabled people who are being let down.

similarissue · 01/09/2025 18:41

OwlBeThere · 01/09/2025 01:55

Am I getting this right? Your uncle is mixed race himself, of East Asian descent? But it’s the South Asians he has an issue with?

yanbu either way. His behaviour is grim and no one needs that in their life.

Yes his mum is half asian (would now be Pakistan)/Irish and Dad was Chinese. He looks more Chinese. Describes himself as mixed.

His thinking is just not rational and there's no reasoning with him but I have concluded like other posters that its really just all about emotion - how he feels; anger/ hurt/ upset over his daughter and he wants someone to blame. But it's horrible and I don't know how it will end (other than it won't be good for him and probably others) Just so sad. Also makes me annoyed at those making careers from stirring it all up.

Thanks for all the replies- I really appreciate them.

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longtompot · 02/09/2025 10:47

@similarissue not quite the same but my mum is very much as your have described your uncle, but we don't have rows about it as I won't. She knows my views, but it has made me limit my contact with her. To her, every perceived slight against 'us' is because of the boat people, the blacks etc. If the NHS was taking a bit longer to get some medical equipment needed, she would say you'd have it if your skin was a different colour.
The last time I saw her, about an month ago, she started up again and I just said sternly that we do not agree with each other and I will not discuss what she was about to say. And to be fair, she didn't continue with that line of the conversation, but it just makes me not want to have a conversation as the tiniest thing can and will be linked to foreigners.
She herself was not born here, none of her family were, and when her family came over, there would have been people back then complaining about them being given houses etc

Thfvfdvvvvtgbynynyn · 02/09/2025 10:55

I would have cut him off when he went to jail for violence. The racism on top makes him sound like a really horrible person. If your values and beliefs do not align you are better off staying clear of him. If he thinks it’s ok to take his anger out on people and has racist views he could end up attacking someone in a racially motivated way - and that person could be you.
We are all a bit brainwashed to believe family is everything, in this case I would walk away in your shoes. He has made his choices, you need to make your own. If he ends up alone he will have brought it on himself.

Dweetfidilove · 02/09/2025 10:57

JHound · 01/09/2025 01:58

I don’t understand why this is a hard decision. I would cut him off without a second thought.

Maybe he's autistic or suffering early onset dementia? Those are the usual excuses 🙄.
And those bloody immigrants did force him into prison at his daughter's expense 🤦🏾‍♀️.

Serpentstooth · 02/09/2025 11:10

Your uncle is nuts. Cut him off. A friend's brother ihas become the same, immigrants, women, Trump and Farage. He is a Caribbean immigrant, married to same, he has daughters and holds a high position in his church. He is also nuts. You can't expect rational thought or behaviour from someone whose ability to rationalise is so distorted. Cut him off.

RapunzelHadExtensions · 02/09/2025 11:29

Meadowfinch · 01/09/2025 02:32

He's wrong, but he's seen the daughter he loves committed to a secure mental health institution rather than receive the care he believes she should have. And he wasn't around to protect and advocate for her. I can well understand that he is feeling anger, guilt, frustration & resentment, and he needs someone to lash out at, someone to blame.

All you can do is reiterate that you love him and his dd but you don't agree with him.

He wasn't around because he was a violent knob head by the sounds of it.

He's done a great job in protecting her hasn't he. 🙄

Cara707 · 02/09/2025 11:42

Totally reasonable of you. And so odd for your uncle to buy into all that racist stuff! I guess like others have said he just wants someone to blame for the things that are going wrong for him and his daughter.

JHound · 02/09/2025 12:09

Dweetfidilove · 02/09/2025 10:57

Maybe he's autistic or suffering early onset dementia? Those are the usual excuses 🙄.
And those bloody immigrants did force him into prison at his daughter's expense 🤦🏾‍♀️.

Oh yes. Mental health is a big one too. Or being on medication. All makes people racist…

JHound · 02/09/2025 12:11

Meadowfinch · 01/09/2025 02:32

He's wrong, but he's seen the daughter he loves committed to a secure mental health institution rather than receive the care he believes she should have. And he wasn't around to protect and advocate for her. I can well understand that he is feeling anger, guilt, frustration & resentment, and he needs someone to lash out at, someone to blame.

All you can do is reiterate that you love him and his dd but you don't agree with him.

His anger and resentment should be aimed at himself. He is the one who chose to act in a criminal manner.

Serpentstooth · 02/09/2025 12:21

Cara707 · 02/09/2025 11:42

Totally reasonable of you. And so odd for your uncle to buy into all that racist stuff! I guess like others have said he just wants someone to blame for the things that are going wrong for him and his daughter.

Yes. Having someone else to blame means he doesn't need to take a good long look at himself and the role his behaviour has played. He doesn't sound fit to look after himself, I'm 99per cent sure that daughter is currently receiving better care than he can provide whether he considers it adequate or not.

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