To be irritated that John Swinney is going to spend next week banging on about Gaza?

[Fragmentedbrain]

Why fix your own shit schools, prisons, councils and health service when you can fly the Palestinian flag at Holyrood for free I guess.

Attention-seeking wee wanker.

What do you mean when you say “arming Israel” because that reads as though we’re sending guns/bullets/bombs to Israel…

Man cares about the welfare of people and you are complaining about this!?

And the intelligence we get from Israel? That’s not useful at all? Cause they’ll stop giving us intel on which Iranian agents are planning attacks on UK soil.

The most unstabilising force in the region is Iran and all its proxies. If you wanted peace in the region then you should be calling for the removal of the IRGC etc and for Hamas to be removed from power.

https://www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-oxfam/gaza-israel-crisis-sign-petition-call-for-ceasefire-now/does-the-uk-sell-arms-to-israel/

Do you understand that when you say things like “we need to stop arming Israel…” that implies something to the reality of what we actually to provide Israel with?

The general interpretation of “arming” someone would reasonably be giving them a firearm ie a gun and some bullets. Providing them with a small percentage of components for 1 type of plane, some drone parts & military intelligence is not that. Oxfam even use this imagery in their campaign info in the link you provided.

A wee bit disingenuous methinks. Definitely suggest we’re sending bombs to Gaza which is absolutely not the case. I’m not sure everyone reading your comment would be aware of that…

What about the surveillance flights @Lolapushthttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/07/uks-surveillance-flights-over-gaza-raise-questions-on-help-for-israeli-military

The Scots regularly invaded England and did the same.

Don't pretend you were the victim and absolutely did not profit from slavery and colonisation. Scots are only in union with England because they bankrupted themselves trying to colonise others. Funny how you sweep the Northern Ireland comment under the rug.

Google Plantation of Ulster by James VI. SNP likes to pretend that didn't happen.

The guy with the arc? Lost me there.

Showing empathy for a country that's having war waged on it is the sign of a government of a developed country. Running a country and having empathy for another aren't activities that are mutually exclusive.

Regardless of your politics.

There were Lowland Scots and Irish mercenaries fighting with the English against Scots. And Scots soldiers fighting in Ireland but why let the truth get in the way of a rant

Perhaps he should put more money into education. 😂

Oh, forgot those.

Does that change my point?

Man believes the Pallywood images and hangs flag to signal his virtue.

Well your point wasn’t really applicable to me when you used a quote that I never said and your point about using components instead of the finished product doesn’t change the outcome of what is being done to the Palestinian people so I don’t really know how to respond to you.

Yes.

You can do the research yourself. But the answer is yes.

Yeah someone already answered me but thanks

I’m with Palestine 🇵🇸

Well, I said ‘when you say things like…’ which wasn’t actually quoting you.

My question was around the reasonable interpretation some, if not many, people may give to ‘arming Israel’ (again, not directly quoting you).

The death of civilians in any war is awful.

When people say things like we “need to stop arming XYZ…” the reasonable interpretation would be that “we” ie the UK are sending the guns/bombs that are responsible for those deaths. In some cases, depending on the surrounding g text, it may even read like all the arms are coming from us. I don’t think that’s right. Precision and clarity rather than suggestion and inference.

@Fragmentedbrain 👍

No where near as many. Only a wilfully ignorant absolute numpty would think otherwise.

Well I never said all arms are coming from the U.K. and I also said I’m not in the U.K. so you have misinterpreted me @Lolapusht

I won’t be returning to the thread because MN isn’t working properly

Oh get a grip.

Our first minister can do hee-haw about Gaza.

He can do hee- haw about not much in fact.

Trying to kid on Scotland can do anything on a world stage is ridiculous. We are struggling in Scotland but he hopes no one looks as he points " over there".

Ffs OP

Where is your compassion?

sending components, intelligence, or support counts as ‘arming.’ It’s not just literal bombs- it’s helping sustain the military capacity that’s causing the deaths.