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Reeves' plan to tax houses over 500k

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FridayFeelingmidweek · 18/08/2025 20:25

Just been reading news about Reeves's plan to tax https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

AIBU to already be worrying about living in the south east? Surely this will force people either to never move, or move away from SE/London.

I'm glad that there is finally something that isn't negatively affecting areas outside the SE but does she actually understand that 500k isn't much down here - 3 bed terrace at best.

Reeves considers replacing stamp duty with new property tax

Exclusive: Treasury examines options including tax on homes sold for more than £500,000 as well as overhaul of council tax

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/aug/18/rachel-reeves-stamp-duty-property-tax-council-tax

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nearlylovemyusername · 19/08/2025 12:24

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:23

At which point you’ll pay tax on 75% of it. What will you have gained?

75% tax on what exactly?

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 12:25

Alexandra2001 · 19/08/2025 12:21

You've not fallen out with another poster have you?

How so many people can get wound up about about something that isn't even a proposal, is beyond me, then fail to consider that the starting rate tax on a 500k house in the SE, might be less than paid currently..... with more expensive ones paying more than now.....

But i guess it gives people on the right an excuse to say Labour are useless, without saying how you would fund our public services..... no surprise i suppose, Badenoch or Farage have no clue either.

Badenoch and Farage aren't in power though are they? So they don't really need to. Labour are in power so they are the ones who have to come up with solutions

Why didn't you mention Lib Dems as not having a solution either?

adlitem · 19/08/2025 12:26

I guess this is "unfair" to the people who have already paid their stamp duty. Say "Mary" moving to London already has moved and forked out £40k in stamp duty and then will have to pay it again annually. No easy solution to that in the transition period.

I wish the focus would be on growing the economy instead of increasing taxes on individuals again and again. That would benefit both the country's and the individual's budget. Forcing people to increasingly have less money just perpetuates the issue as noone wants to spend money.

Alexandra2001 · 19/08/2025 12:26

Swiftie1878 · 19/08/2025 12:19

The world is struggling along with the UK right now. If Brexit was the cause, how does that work?
You’re making absolutely no sense. If we hadn’t left the EU, everything would be brilliant? We’d be growing faster than the rest of the whole world? Ridiculous.

No we wouldn't be far better off but Brexit is costing the UK approx 42bn a year and is the direct cause of millions of migrants/dependents coming to the country, even now net migration is 450k per year.

Is also one reason companies are relisting in NY etc, thats damaging the 'city.

Hence the need to raise taxes so much.... which the Tories also had to do.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:27

nearlylovemyusername · 19/08/2025 12:24

75% tax on what exactly?

Drawing down the pension. As you perfectly well understand. Can we please stop making this personal? It’s getting tedious.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/08/2025 12:28

im trying to think how she could make herself any less popular. Revisiting the poll tax? Window tax? Bringing back the tea tax? Apparently in 1535 there was a tax on beards - that would raise some capital.

Comefromaway · 19/08/2025 12:28

I think it is a good idea. It will potentially impact us but something has to be done and it might help slow the ridiculous house price boom.

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 12:28

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast 🤣

Closetoknowing · 19/08/2025 12:28

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:19

the direct tax burden on average earners is below where it has been for most of the last 50 years.

I’d dispute that. 50 years ago the basic rate of income tax was 35% with 9% NI on top.

🙈 ok @blossomtoes I’d take that up with the Institute of Fiscal Studies, who published that information.

JanetheObscure · 19/08/2025 12:29

The article I read about this said that the tax wouldn't apply retrospectively, i.e. would only kick in when someone moves house.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:30

Closetoknowing · 19/08/2025 12:28

🙈 ok @blossomtoes I’d take that up with the Institute of Fiscal Studies, who published that information.

Just because they’re the IFS doesn’t mean they can’t be wrong. They should have checked their facts.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1975/apr/21/23-income-tax-charge-and-rates-for-1975

23. INCOME TAX (CHARGE AND RATES FOR 1975–76) (Hansard, 21 April 1975)

23. INCOME TAX (CHARGE AND RATES FOR 1975–76) (Hansard, 21 April 1975)

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1975/apr/21/23-income-tax-charge-and-rates-for-1975

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/08/2025 12:30

JanetheObscure · 19/08/2025 12:29

The article I read about this said that the tax wouldn't apply retrospectively, i.e. would only kick in when someone moves house.

Edited

Hence my post about decimating the housing market. Slow hand clap to her.

Araminta1003 · 19/08/2025 12:30

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JanetheObscure · 19/08/2025 12:30

adlitem · 19/08/2025 12:26

I guess this is "unfair" to the people who have already paid their stamp duty. Say "Mary" moving to London already has moved and forked out £40k in stamp duty and then will have to pay it again annually. No easy solution to that in the transition period.

I wish the focus would be on growing the economy instead of increasing taxes on individuals again and again. That would benefit both the country's and the individual's budget. Forcing people to increasingly have less money just perpetuates the issue as noone wants to spend money.

Sorry - the above post is a reply to this one.

Merrymouse · 19/08/2025 12:30

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/08/2025 12:23

I need to read the detail of this but it seems an excellent way to absolutely collapse the housing market that’s already been dead for four years. I bet estate agents everywhere have their heads in their hands. Like fuck would we move and pay this terrible government one penny.

Edited

I don't think there is any detail.

Nobody knows what is being proposed.

frozendaisy · 19/08/2025 12:31

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:23

At which point you’ll pay tax on 75% of it. What will you have gained?

I don't understand, pay 75% tax on what?

Comefromaway · 19/08/2025 12:31

Bambamhoohoo · 19/08/2025 12:10

I’m always a bit confused by this message- yes the midlands and north are cheaper than the SE of course. But it’s not the 90s anymore. You’re not surrounded by £250k mansions.

Im visiting Stockport today. The first 2 sales for 500k here. You can absolutely buy comparable properties for £500k in many parts of the south east.

That's not your average 3 bed terrace. It's a massive four floor property with one rather large bedroom not counted as it is being used as an office.

I still think it is overpriced though. I'd be interested to see what it actually sold for rather than what the asking price was.

soupyspoon · 19/08/2025 12:31

Merrymouse · 19/08/2025 12:30

I don't think there is any detail.

Nobody knows what is being proposed.

Its not really a proposal. Its the normal thing governments of all colours do which is put an idea out in the media and watch the public's appetite for it.

They wont get any clarity from this thread!!!

JanetheObscure · 19/08/2025 12:32

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 19/08/2025 12:30

Hence my post about decimating the housing market. Slow hand clap to her.

But it's instead of stamp duty.

The idea - by the way - comes from "a centre-right think tank". Make of that what you will.

Alexandra2001 · 19/08/2025 12:32

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 12:25

Badenoch and Farage aren't in power though are they? So they don't really need to. Labour are in power so they are the ones who have to come up with solutions

Why didn't you mention Lib Dems as not having a solution either?

I would expect the main parties hoping to form the next Govt to at least show some idea how they would govern differently... LD's do have policies, hence no need to inc them....

The next election is, at most, 4 years away but could be at any time.

Swiftie1878 · 19/08/2025 12:33

Alexandra2001 · 19/08/2025 12:26

No we wouldn't be far better off but Brexit is costing the UK approx 42bn a year and is the direct cause of millions of migrants/dependents coming to the country, even now net migration is 450k per year.

Is also one reason companies are relisting in NY etc, thats damaging the 'city.

Hence the need to raise taxes so much.... which the Tories also had to do.

I’m sorry, but you are so wrong it’s hardly worth a convo.
Let’s respectfully disagree.

StillFeelingTired · 19/08/2025 12:33

JanetheObscure · 19/08/2025 12:29

The article I read about this said that the tax wouldn't apply retrospectively, i.e. would only kick in when someone moves house.

Edited

And again. What is the likelihood of a government bringing in a tax that might happen in the future that people can avoid by not selling. Not likely. Outright lie. As a sop to people who the government doesn’t lie. Baffling

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2025 12:33

frozendaisy · 19/08/2025 12:31

I don't understand, pay 75% tax on what?

Your pension when you draw it down - you know, the thing you were talking about in your post that I quoted. 🙄

Comtesse · 19/08/2025 12:34

InveterateWineDrinker · 19/08/2025 11:50

It would just be a lot simpler to remove the exemption from Capital Gains Tax on primary residences.

Agreed!

twistyizzy · 19/08/2025 12:34

Alexandra2001 · 19/08/2025 12:32

I would expect the main parties hoping to form the next Govt to at least show some idea how they would govern differently... LD's do have policies, hence no need to inc them....

The next election is, at most, 4 years away but could be at any time.

And all the data from polls show Labour is in trouble. Can't come soon enough!
But none of the other parties have to pay out plans until it's called.
Labour however have a country to run now and obviously don't have a clue either!

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