To want to hurl abuse at the parents 2 doors up.

[mybrainaches]

For screaming at thier toddlers around 10pm every night because they are crying.

They dont live there but are there every day, the poor little mites are just dog tired no doubt

Whaat? Are you sure they're screaming at their toddlers? What are they saying?

Call DSS?

poor little scraps.

that's v

Things like "shut up crying and behave " etc.

Poor little souls. They just want their bed and a hug.

Some people don't deserve children

Glad you lot don't hear me yelling at dd at this time.

She goes to bed at between 7:30 & 8, but mucks about getting up every 15 mins or so and is put back to bed each time. By 10 I have pretty much lost patience. I will put her back to bed each time but refuse to stay for a chat - so she will often start crying

What she wants is for me to go to bed the same time as her and talk all night. If she settled with me lying there with her It would be OK (well not OK but better), however she wants to talk or play with me. If I shut my eyes she pries them open.

Before you ask she is impossible to get up in the morning so she does need more sleep than she is getting.

I have also tried earlier bed and later bed, earlier bed makes it worse. Later bed is not really going to happen as she is even more impossible to wake in the morning.

Later getting up time is not an option because of getting to work & going to the childminder in the past or Nursery (as part of school) now. I wouldn't mind how early she woke me up but she has to be up & awake be 7:30

So don't judge them

I feel entitled to feel at toddlers being screamed at every night because they are crying.

No you are not - if they have tried every bloody thing they can think of to help their children to sleep and they refuse to and have done so for years.
I can understand and sympathise if they resort to yelling every now and then

But this is every night.

Getting confused - if they don't live there why are they sleeping there every night?

I guess the OP means the parents are visiting someone there every day, thus keeping the little ones up til silly o clock, so little ones are crying out of tiredness and parents are shouting at them...I think.

If that is the case then YANBU! Actually even if it's not the case YANBU! Poor little things.

if that is the case - its pretty bad
I am maybe very sensitive about sleep issues

It does depebd on the circumstances and we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. As theITgirl says she has a problem getting her daughter to sleep. We do pretty much the same (not screaming at the kids unless pushed to the limits) but when you cannot drag them out of bed at 7am for school yet going through the same routine at night constantly where you have to be up and down the stairs telling them to stop messing about/getting out of bed etc - it DOES get tiresome - especially when you are trying to do your best as a parent and sleep is important for them to learn properly at school. Usually my 4 yr old falls asleep quickly provided she is not being kept awake by her 9 and 10 year old siblings who are the worst for this. Of course these people the op mentions could simply be bad parents so it's really hard to know what to do for the best. Years ago I did live next door to a couple whose 3 year old daughter would wake every morning and cry her eyes out at about 6 or 7am and they would not go to her - all they did was scream "shut the fuck up" - now THAT was bad parenting. What sort of things are these people shouting??

Yes, as squirdle said, they dont live there, it is 2 sets of parents, both with toddlers, they are a family and all spend every day and night at this house, so its not that they are trying to get the kids to sleep, they are fully dressed and in the garden, while the parents are chatting.

modern day parents wanting to have it all

Modern day morons you mean?