Why armed police and no arrests’

[ForFunWriter]

My neighbours have got two sons that are 18 and 20. The younger one has been involved in something as he’s been stopped and searched (ok no biggie) but twice now he’s had police go to his house. First was tasers, now armed police. no nosie, went to back and front door, took him into the van, into the ambulance and than back into the house. 20 armed forces at least.

anyone know what he could be involved in?

I don’t know if he’s drug grooming etc as I did watch a doco about it

I don't think armed police are a common thing in scruffy areas either. And this is the first time my life I have ever heard (read) someone say they watched a doco

He might have threatened to harm himself with a weapon. Someone has called police. He’s been in the ambulance to he assessed, he hasn’t got a weapon, he isn’t really suicidal. He can stay at home. Something like that? But who knows?

If armed police have been sent to perform an arrest, it could be a number of things, but whatever it is will almost certainly involve firearms. Armed police aren't sent to intimidate, they're sent because there's a belief of a serious threat to life.

They may have intelligence to suggest there is a firearm in the property. He may be known to carry one. He may have a history of firearms offences. He may be a suspect in a crime where a firearm was used. They may have intelligence that he's planning a crime involving a firearm. He may have threatened to shoot someone.

It could also be something less innocuous. A neighbor might have reported that they saw someone with what they thought was a firearm, or heard an argument where one was mentioned.

He may be in the midst of a mental health crisis and have said something silly about shooting himself/someone else.

Armed police aren't there to deescalate - they're sent to meet the threat of violence with a proportionate response. So whatever it was, they will have had reason to believe there was a threat to life.

His neighbours are all on MN and they called 101 for the much advised “welfare check”.

Maybe go knock on the door mention you are being nose but want to really know and mn is no help they might ask you in for tea?

I would be desperate to know! It's clearly something involving extreme violence otherwise they wouldn't need armed police to deal with it.

This is the most likely answer. Sounds more like a mental health issue with the chats and the ambulance.

Maybe pop round and ask his Nigerian mum?

I’m not sure @ForFunWriter but it must be very unsettling for you to have this coming to your street.

Keep your doors locked

Eldest DS has had this happen to him a couple of times. They really were armed police at his door.

Turns out a neighbour had totally lost the plot and was reporting everyone they could think of because the voices in their head where telling them to and they had gone seriously paranoid and delusional. They had claimed eldest DS clearly was holding someone captive and was torturing them to death as they could hear them screaming and they could see blood coming from under the front door. DS knew police have to respond, have to follow through on such claims and check for everyone’s safety.

Neighbour ended up being forcibly sectioned very soon after. Sharing so you have an idea it’s not always what you imagine and it’s best to let the police get on with investigating and making a situation safer.

One thing they could be doing is a Mental Health Act Assessment. If someone has a history of violence when mentally unwell, or has been known to carry knives as self defensive they are paranoid etc the police will do a risk assessment in advance. They will then decide which kind of police to dispatch to the house. An ambulance will go as well in order to take the person to a bed in a mental health unit. They have no idea of knowing in advance what level of police input will be required so they err on the side of safety. Sometimes they deploy riot police with shields etc if the risks are high enough. Sometimes if there is no one in the house, they would need the police to execute the warrant for a forced entry. There would be doctors and an approved mental health professional in attendance too to complete the paperwork for a section.

If this was a MHAA and they were let in by the mum, the man may have agreed to come into hospital without the need for tasers etc. However if he was agitated during the assessment, they may have put him in handcuffs for the transport to the hospital.

in this case they may have done the MHAA within the ambulance and decided there were no grounds for detention and taking to hospital.

I’m not saying this has happened of course, but I’m just answering your question in good faith as to what might be happening here.

We had armed police on our street- not scruffy.

A smoke alarm was going off, and smoke, so neighbour called fire brigade.

The house belonged to someone with a firearms license so big response.

Turned out he’d nipped out forgetting he’d left something under the grill.

He wasn’t handcuffed or put in an ambulance or anything- but it shows that the armed units can be called when it’s a low key situation. Perhaps a threat to self harm as a pp said.

Doesn't automatically mean dramatic criminal behaviour.

Not if someone made a malicious phone call claiming he was seen with a weapon. Or if he was threatening one of his parents with a blade in the house. The point is it could be absolutely anything.

I’m not sure you can jump to “drug grooming” just because you’ve watched a documentary. It sounds mental health related to me based on very limited information.

Is drug grooming like road manscaping?

Sorry, I know its not funny to you, OP. The suggestion that it was a MH crisis with potential threat of weapons is the most likely.

Posted hurty words on social media, seems the kind of response that would happen these days.

Except that it isn't...

Why not just mind your own business?

Firearms police are trained to a very high level when it comes to first aid. If there is a risk to life where advanced first aid is required and there may be a delay with the ambulance, they may also attend in the interim. Sometimes the ambulance gets there first, so they're not needed, and the ambulance will just deal. This could be one viable reason, but there could be many others.

Ultimately, though, whilst understandable that you're curious, it's none of your business. The only people who need to know what happened already do, and you don't need to know; you just want to know, and that's just nosy.

What's wrong with being nosey? I am incredibly nosey, I like knowing everything that's going on. In my line of work, it's practically a job requirement.

I live in a nice area and you can bet if there were armed police turning up at my neighbours door, I would be hanging out of the window to find out more.