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Portrayal of autistic people in films/TV

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AutisticHouseMove · 16/08/2025 07:39

I was diagnosed as autistic in my early 40s.

When I was younger, the only real portrayal of autism I was aware of was Rainman.

I also know there has been criticism of that because it portrayed an autistic man as a 'low functioning' savant.

Over recent years, I've noticed a prevalence of a different type of autistic person. Usually working in some kind of solitary role requiring a high level of intelligence (eg scientist), who is brilliant/the best at their job but completely lacking in empathy or social skills and getting it all wrong when they have to interact with colleagues or friends.

They're rarely identified as 'autistic' but there are hints along the way, comments from other characters about how 'weird' or 'difficult' or 'awkward' they are or how curious it is watching them trying to interact with or behave like 'the humans/earthlings'. Or other characters have to brace themselves against the tone deaf comments. Basically, either endearingly odd, a bit of a dick or both.

I don't know. It just makes me feel uncomfortable and embarrassed even when I realise this character (and they're recognisable because they're all portrayed in the same way) is supposed to represent me. Or is this really how NT people perceive many of us to be?

YABU - the portrayal of people with autism in films and TV shows is pretty much how I experience autistic people in real life

YANBU - you have a point.

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jensondolally · 19/08/2025 18:10

ntmdino · 19/08/2025 17:32

FFS, there's always a couple...the old "two ends of the spectrum" thing never gets old, does it? No matter how many times it's explained that's not what the "spectrum" in "spectrum condition" has ever meant, it's doggedly stuck to.

What a compassionate response to a parent who’s trying to express their frustration around how autism is seen and who is sharing her real life challenges!
please explain what a spectrum disorder is, as I’m struggling to understand.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 18:13

ntmdino · 19/08/2025 17:32

FFS, there's always a couple...the old "two ends of the spectrum" thing never gets old, does it? No matter how many times it's explained that's not what the "spectrum" in "spectrum condition" has ever meant, it's doggedly stuck to.

It's quite clear what she means and with any definition of 'the spectrum' there will always be people who are able to communicate, work, have family etc be successful and then there will be those who are impacted severly in every way, all day, everyday in every trait you want to include.

@Glassmatt you always get a couple on these threads!

RainbowZebraWarrior · 19/08/2025 18:40

Glassmatt · 19/08/2025 14:08

This is how I feel.

As the parent of a child who has an EHCP, needs 1:1 support in life, struggles enormously and will never be independent, I think the Umbrella term is useless. For a start no two individuals are the same and whilst there are levels of autism, that’s never added on. The levels are basically mild moderate and severe as to how someone is affected but if you suggest that you’re shot down. There is a such a huge difference between the two ends of the spectrum that I don’t think it should have the same name.

On the other hand I do think it’s good in other ways that it is more mainstream.

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I agree. There needs to be much more meaningful and differential diagnoses, but we are all largely stuck with 'just Autism' since the Aspergers diagnosis was abolished. There's often also something additional at play. I'll explain further when I talk about my sister.

I don't think any fighting among ourselves helps, but I can see why it's frustrating all round.

I can see both sides of the coin. I grew up with my sister, who we described to other people as being 'profoundly disabled' as it was the only way to get across how difficult her disability was. Her primary medical diagnosis was Downs syndrome, but we understand now that she also had Autism (among other things) She was non verbal, incontinent, blind, and couldn't walk. Her needs were so severe that she needed 24 hour care in the end. She had a social worker and a Psychiatrist allocated to her, but my needs were largely ignored. It was only when the social worker pointed out that I was going downhill that something was done to help me. I wasn't eating and had become malnourished. I had stopped speaking and engaging with people, I didn't want to go to school, I was bullied, and nobody understood or cared what was going on with me. I hid behind the sofa when visitors called. My sister was largely unaware of anything, such was the degree of her disability, but I suppose I had an 'awareness' that meant I was spiralling into a ball of anxiety, frustration and depression.

All medical diagnoses have a level of severity. Going back to my sisters Downs syndrome diagnosis, I see people with that condition on TV shows now. I see people with Downs syndrome who are able to do paid or voluntary work, I see them walking and talking. It made me very sad for my sisters level of disability. It made me frustrated that nobody understood how much it affected my sister and us as a family. It can make you feel aggrieved and angry. I would never deny another person's Downs syndrome diagnosis however, as that's not helpful to anyone and I think it just further deepens any resentment and anger. However much that may feel justified.

So I'm one of those who coped by masking. It exhausted me. It made me ill. And I only coped until I didn't. My needs were brushed off for most of my life. I've struggled with friendships, I can't have a relationship as I don't understand people's motives and I don't understand other people's language around day to day communication. I have locked myself away at times, I can't gobto social functions and I'm judged for that as people don't understand. I can't explain (or people don't want to know / hear / understand)

My daughter is also Autistic and has situational mutism. We call it that because selective mutism just sounds like she 'decides' when she fancies speaking. She can't go to Autistic groups as she can't cope with other kids. She has no friends. She's self harmed multiple times. Children and adults in this 'category' are more likely to take their own lives.

My struggles are mine, and my daughters are hers. It's so much more complex than just a black and white mild verus severe. I don't deny that having a profoundly disabled child in any way isn't absolutely life changing, frustrating and impossible at times. However, I don't think writing the likes of myself or my daughter off as the 'level 1's' is helpful. I'd love to see as much support for everyone as it's possible to get, as sure as hell we have all probably spent years fighting and it is exhausting.

We all deserve understsnding and empathy. I'd like to take this opportunity to acknoweldge that I hear what you are saying and i hope things improve from a diagnosis and support perspective. You deserve that, and so does your child.

For clarification around why a spectrum is not a line between mild and severe, I think this diagram is helpful and it's how Autism UK describe it. My own North East branch gave out these images and explained on detail how important it is to understand this.

Also, I'd like to put the self diagnosed cohort in a separate category. Self diagnosis of any condition does nobody any favours. I never described myself as being Autistic until I was officially diagnosed. I wouldn't do it with any other health condition either. Although I think it's fine to say 'I might have...' or 'I'm being investigated for...'

Portrayal of autistic people in films/TV
Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:18

The thing is we're not stuck with 'just autism'. Diagnosis criteria and names have and will change and develop sometimes differently depending on the diagnostic manual that's used. Politics and lobbying plays a large part in that too. The inclusion of Aspergers is an example of that.

Profound autism is a term that's being used more and more to separate out those with the most needs and there is call for it to be included in the next dsm.

Nobody is writing off those with type 1 autism but as you too have acknowledged the needs are incredibly different. Why shouldn't this group of people have their own dx and allow those with different needs to have theirs?

Whilst the autism dx stands as a mixed bag of presentations I have no issue with describing my son as profound or severly impacted by his autism and yes I would definitely say that while you do have needs, his are vastly more. You being able to post so articulately is evidence of that along with the understanding of yours and your childs needs. I won't minimise his life for the benefit of others.

I have a good visual of how the dsm's have changed over time. I'll try to post it, if I can find it.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:20

Changing autism dx pic. It may have to get ok'd by mumsnet.

Portrayal of autistic people in films/TV
Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:32

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:18

The thing is we're not stuck with 'just autism'. Diagnosis criteria and names have and will change and develop sometimes differently depending on the diagnostic manual that's used. Politics and lobbying plays a large part in that too. The inclusion of Aspergers is an example of that.

Profound autism is a term that's being used more and more to separate out those with the most needs and there is call for it to be included in the next dsm.

Nobody is writing off those with type 1 autism but as you too have acknowledged the needs are incredibly different. Why shouldn't this group of people have their own dx and allow those with different needs to have theirs?

Whilst the autism dx stands as a mixed bag of presentations I have no issue with describing my son as profound or severly impacted by his autism and yes I would definitely say that while you do have needs, his are vastly more. You being able to post so articulately is evidence of that along with the understanding of yours and your childs needs. I won't minimise his life for the benefit of others.

I have a good visual of how the dsm's have changed over time. I'll try to post it, if I can find it.

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So your son gets a bespoke diagnosis and everybody else gets thrown into “type 1”. There are no levels of autism in this country for very good reasons. It’s impossible to pigeon hole. Autism is diagnosed across several traits. The type 1 you mention is referring to support needs in the US diagnosis process. There are 3 support need levels and my dc cover all 3 levels. You have no right to tell everybody your kid has profound autism and their child does not or that your son’s needs are vastly more than mine or anybody else’s. My dc can speak, read and write. They are all severely impacted by autism and 2 have 3 the highest and substantial support needs.

x2boys · 19/08/2025 19:35

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:32

So your son gets a bespoke diagnosis and everybody else gets thrown into “type 1”. There are no levels of autism in this country for very good reasons. It’s impossible to pigeon hole. Autism is diagnosed across several traits. The type 1 you mention is referring to support needs in the US diagnosis process. There are 3 support need levels and my dc cover all 3 levels. You have no right to tell everybody your kid has profound autism and their child does not or that your son’s needs are vastly more than mine or anybody else’s. My dc can speak, read and write. They are all severely impacted by autism and 2 have 3 the highest and substantial support needs.

That's not what the poster has doing and you have no right to tell her her son doesn't haven't profound needs ,you don't know him or anything about him .

RainbowZebraWarrior · 19/08/2025 19:40

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:18

The thing is we're not stuck with 'just autism'. Diagnosis criteria and names have and will change and develop sometimes differently depending on the diagnostic manual that's used. Politics and lobbying plays a large part in that too. The inclusion of Aspergers is an example of that.

Profound autism is a term that's being used more and more to separate out those with the most needs and there is call for it to be included in the next dsm.

Nobody is writing off those with type 1 autism but as you too have acknowledged the needs are incredibly different. Why shouldn't this group of people have their own dx and allow those with different needs to have theirs?

Whilst the autism dx stands as a mixed bag of presentations I have no issue with describing my son as profound or severly impacted by his autism and yes I would definitely say that while you do have needs, his are vastly more. You being able to post so articulately is evidence of that along with the understanding of yours and your childs needs. I won't minimise his life for the benefit of others.

I have a good visual of how the dsm's have changed over time. I'll try to post it, if I can find it.

Edited

That's why I said that we were all stuck with 'just autism' diagnosis for now since the Aspergers was removed. And that I hoped that things moved on swiftly with more understanding and better dignostic crieria / further understsnding of co-morbidities. Obviously we all know there are differing levels and needs.

I also said that I didn't minimise your child's life struggles. You should never have to do that, and I deplore anyone who makes you feel like that. God knows myself and my family went through all of that with my sister.

My level of intelligence and ability to write / speak / post replies may be both a hindrance and a blessing. Again, perhaps not as outwardly high in need, but the other co-morbidoties that I have are worrying, disabling and life limiting. I also worry for my child that I might not be around for as long as she needs me. I have no partner, no support, and no understanding from anyone. We are totally alone.

My daughter also has many other co-morbidities and physical health problems. She won't survive without me and that's a worry I carry every day (as we all likely do)

Uktimately, we are all in this together.in a way, but because we all have different circumstances, we perhaps don't quite fully understand each other, and thats ok. It's exhausting, frustrating and upsetting all round though.

A PP mentioned the 'level 1's' and the self diagnosed which is the only reason I included that in my post.

I wish you every kindness and understanding.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:40

x2boys · 19/08/2025 19:35

That's not what the poster has doing and you have no right to tell her her son doesn't haven't profound needs ,you don't know him or anything about him .

She doesn’t know anything about anybody else’s kid and their needs but thinks she can pigeon hole. She can’t.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:40

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:32

So your son gets a bespoke diagnosis and everybody else gets thrown into “type 1”. There are no levels of autism in this country for very good reasons. It’s impossible to pigeon hole. Autism is diagnosed across several traits. The type 1 you mention is referring to support needs in the US diagnosis process. There are 3 support need levels and my dc cover all 3 levels. You have no right to tell everybody your kid has profound autism and their child does not or that your son’s needs are vastly more than mine or anybody else’s. My dc can speak, read and write. They are all severely impacted by autism and 2 have 3 the highest and substantial support needs.

When someone gets a dx, it is by some manual of some kind. The dsm is understood and in some cases used in the UK alongside the ICD (main manual used in the uk for dx).

If you look at the visual i posted you will see exactly the definition used by the levels.

Your child can speak, read and write?! Yes my son has vastly more needs. Im not denying your child has needs they're just very different and nowhere near what my son has. This is exactly the problem with having a one size fits all dx.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:41

My dc wouldn’t have fitted in to Asperger’s, they would still have been diagnosed as autistic.

x2boys · 19/08/2025 19:41

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:40

She doesn’t know anything about anybody else’s kid and their needs but thinks she can pigeon hole. She can’t.

Where is she trying to pigeon hole ?

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:42

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:40

When someone gets a dx, it is by some manual of some kind. The dsm is understood and in some cases used in the UK alongside the ICD (main manual used in the uk for dx).

If you look at the visual i posted you will see exactly the definition used by the levels.

Your child can speak, read and write?! Yes my son has vastly more needs. Im not denying your child has needs they're just very different and nowhere near what my son has. This is exactly the problem with having a one size fits all dx.

You do not know your son has more needs. 2 of mine have substantial needs and would die without them.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:47

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:42

You do not know your son has more needs. 2 of mine have substantial needs and would die without them.

Why does it upset you that somebody else's child is more impacted by autism? If that was me I'd be glad.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:48

DSM makes it clear that support needs can fluctuate hence it being impossible to categorise people. DSM has no official status in the UK for good reason.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:48

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:42

You do not know your son has more needs. 2 of mine have substantial needs and would die without them.

You already stated your children can speak, read and write. It's pretty easy to establish.

IcedPurple · 19/08/2025 19:49

When I think of autistic TV characters, I think of Saga Noren, the heroine of the Scandinavian crime drama 'The Bridge'. There's a lot of talk about how she is 'different' but it's not explicitly said that she is autistic, even though she clearly is. Much as I loved the series, to me it seemed at times as though her autism was exaggerated and treated as a joke, but apparently Swedish autism charities loved the portrayal.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:51

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:47

Why does it upset you that somebody else's child is more impacted by autism? If that was me I'd be glad.

How weird. I am upset( for good reason)that somebody thinks it’s ok to dictate that their child is impacted by autism above and beyond anybody else when they have no right or basis to do so.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:52

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:48

You already stated your children can speak, read and write. It's pretty easy to establish.

Nope it isn’t. Your DSM levels are based on support needs( which can fluctuate). 2 of my kids have the highest support needs.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:53

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:52

Nope it isn’t. Your DSM levels are based on support needs( which can fluctuate). 2 of my kids have the highest support needs.

Your post makes no sense. Your children being able to speak, read and write has nothing to do with the dsm?

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:54

And also some might say the ability to read and write is based on intellectual ability not autism.

Some have an intellectual disability alongside autism.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:56

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:53

Your post makes no sense. Your children being able to speak, read and write has nothing to do with the dsm?

You are making no sense.

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:58

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:51

How weird. I am upset( for good reason)that somebody thinks it’s ok to dictate that their child is impacted by autism above and beyond anybody else when they have no right or basis to do so.

It's mumsnet. My feelings and thoughts are as valid as anybody else's and likewise.

It's pretty common sense that if your child can speak, read and write he will have less needs (related to his autism) than somebody who can't.

Knowing that there are other children with worse presentations doesn't change your children's needs it's just factual.

Your post is a great example of why the dx needs splitting.

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 20:01

Perzival · 19/08/2025 19:58

It's mumsnet. My feelings and thoughts are as valid as anybody else's and likewise.

It's pretty common sense that if your child can speak, read and write he will have less needs (related to his autism) than somebody who can't.

Knowing that there are other children with worse presentations doesn't change your children's needs it's just factual.

Your post is a great example of why the dx needs splitting.

And my views are as valid about anybody else’s. You just said the ability to read and write has nothing to do with the autism diagnosis criteria.

The autism diagnosis is based on autism NOT additional learning disabilities that run alongside.

Your post indicates exactly why we have it exactly right. You can’t split it. It’s a spectrum across several traits .

Perzival · 19/08/2025 20:03

Trsnsn353 · 19/08/2025 19:54

And also some might say the ability to read and write is based on intellectual ability not autism.

Some have an intellectual disability alongside autism.

Yes I'm aware but not everyone has an equal amount (for want of a different word) of autism.

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