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AIBU to let my son be upset for money

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GreenGrassySkies · 13/08/2025 20:08

My STBXH moved out in February when our DS was 21 months old after telling him
in January that it was over. The main reason for ending things was his complete disinterest and incompetence in being a dad when reality hit. He moved into the spare room as soon as DS was born and never did anything overnight. Or much during the day to compensate (DS was not a good sleeper for a long time). I really tried to get him to take it in turns putting him to bed and sporadically he would try but probably did it less than 20 times in his life.

I’ve worked so hard getting DS into a routine and did sleep training (I know not all agree with it but it been an absolute lifesaver for me) with him. He can still be difficult to get to bed but generally sleeps through at mine and we have a good routine. He is very close with my sister, we practically lived at hers when I was on maternity leave, and he stays at hers once a week. She doesn’t complain but does find it very hard to get him to bed and he often wakes up in the night there and needs holding back to sleep.

STBXH has not had DS overnight since he left. He drops him off at nursery twice a week, and has him for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon. We live close by and he does drop in for ten mins a few times a week as well. But he’s never really done any actual parenting. He’s never fed him a meal. Has no idea what his routine is.

Ive recently put in a claim for child maintenance (I told him I wouldn’t ask for anything whilst he was renting as I just wanted him out. He’s now just moved into a house he has bought). I put on the claim that he was not having him overnight at all.

He called them and said this is wrong and he is going to have him two night a week. So they have subsequently decreased the amount from ~600 per month to ~400 per month. That is fine - if he is actually going to have him. He asked me how I think it is going to go with DS sleeping at his and I’ve said I think it is going to be difficult. He repeatedly says, well I’m happy for you to have him at yours but I’m not paying the ~600 a month as it’s a con, it doesn’t cost that much to raise him.

I won’t stop him seeing his son. But my absolute preference is to have him here every night overnight. Of course it would be lovely in some ways to have a night or two off, and my sister wouldn’t need to have him anymore. But STBXH has no patience and I know it will end up getting extremely stressful for everyone when he tries to put DS to bed. And I just know inevitably if he wakes in the night he will call me as he will not be able to comfort him. I also know deep down he doesn’t actually want DS overnight. He’s made enough comments that I know he is only doing it because of the decrease in CM payments. He also thinks as long as he tries to have him overnight then that counts and if DS won’t stay there that isn’t his fault and he should pay the lower amount 😂 hilarious

So. AIBU to call his bluff, let him try having him overnight knowing it is going to cause a lot of distress to my son? Or do I just say fine, just pay the lower amount even though I will having him every night?

Sorry for long post, thanks for reading!

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DorothyStorm · 13/08/2025 20:11

Csn you not go back to cms and tell them he is lying he has never had them overnight, refuses to and he thinks it is a con.

was this over messages?

Lovelynames123 · 13/08/2025 20:12

Is he employed or self employed? Presumably if he's just bought a house he needs to keep whatever job he has. Basically, if he's not going to be able to hide his income from CMS then tell them he isn't doing any overnights and get the £600.

Vaxtable · 13/08/2025 20:13

If you have evidence by way of email/text he has said he will have him twice a week to get a lower payment then you go back to CMS with that proof

otherwise yes I would let him have him one night to try it, it will be hard for you but who knows it could work

DorothyStorm · 13/08/2025 20:14

Vaxtable · 13/08/2025 20:13

If you have evidence by way of email/text he has said he will have him twice a week to get a lower payment then you go back to CMS with that proof

otherwise yes I would let him have him one night to try it, it will be hard for you but who knows it could work

I wiuldnt. If gove him the two nights, thursday / friday and let him crack on.

GreenGrassySkies · 13/08/2025 20:22

DorothyStorm · 13/08/2025 20:11

Csn you not go back to cms and tell them he is lying he has never had them overnight, refuses to and he thinks it is a con.

was this over messages?

The first payment is due in September (even though the claim was all finalised mid June - not sure why it didn’t start in July!) so technically he’s not failed to have him for the two nights……yet

i expect I probably have got something alluding to him only doing it because of the money in writing but not flat out saying it

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GreenGrassySkies · 13/08/2025 20:24

Lovelynames123 · 13/08/2025 20:12

Is he employed or self employed? Presumably if he's just bought a house he needs to keep whatever job he has. Basically, if he's not going to be able to hide his income from CMS then tell them he isn't doing any overnights and get the £600.

Employed so no chance of hiding it. He just doesn’t agree with the amount they have calculated (shock)

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notthatoldchestnut · 13/08/2025 20:25

Ignore the guff about the money. He’s either going to have him overnight, or he isn’t. If he is, then the payment stands. If he isn’t, then you call CMS back and tell them the truth of the situation.
don’t get into discussion with him about it.

Pineapplewaves · 13/08/2025 20:25

You said that your absolute preference is to have your son with you every night so I would leave things as they are. When your DS is older he might be interested in staying overnight but while he’s so young why cause him distress if you don’t have too?

HerecomesMargo · 13/08/2025 20:29

I think the real issue is if you think the £200 is worth placing your child with him overnight when he has proved to be an utterly pathetic excuse for a father.

I would personally just make do without the £200 but know my child is safer with me. He hasn’t even fed him a meal, he would have NO clue what to do if something went wrong.

GreenGrassySkies · 13/08/2025 20:31

Pineapplewaves · 13/08/2025 20:25

You said that your absolute preference is to have your son with you every night so I would leave things as they are. When your DS is older he might be interested in staying overnight but while he’s so young why cause him distress if you don’t have too?

Because ex will only agree to letting him stay with me full time if I let him pay a third less CM than what has been calculated. I don’t need the extra £200 to survive but it certainly would help and I just think it’s not fair he shouldn’t have to pay what has been calculated when he can easily afford it

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2dogsandabudgie · 13/08/2025 20:31

I would keep him with you and have less money. I think he would find it really unsettling especially as your ex has never been a hands on dad. Like a pp said he can decide when he's older if he wants to stay over.

GreenGrassySkies · 13/08/2025 20:34

Thanks @HerecomesMargo and @2dogsandabudgie

This is what I want to do. But just wanted the wisdom of mumsnet to make sure that wasn’t an insane idea.

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Farmwifefarmlife · 13/08/2025 21:13

I wouldn’t want to put my child through that if you think he will genuinely be that distressed. Dads definitely being unreasonable could you compromise at £500? I know it’s not ideal or fair but might be better for your son.

lizzyBennet08 · 13/08/2025 21:47

I'd 100 percent call his bluff. I'd tell him you're looking forward to a few night sleep and it's nearly worth sacrificing the money. Let him
try it for a night or two and make sure he communicates by text when things are difficult which they will be.
you are in a win win situation here. Either he figures it out and you end up with 2 nights free a week for
you time or it doesn't work and you get the extra cash for maintenance .

bellamorgan · 13/08/2025 21:53

As harsh as it is. Let him have da overnight and let him fail. Don’t answer the phone wait for the texts or voicemails for evidence that his not managing or having him over night

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