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Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?

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hippysun · 13/08/2025 10:03

Thames water on brink of collapse. All those CEOs getting fat bonuses. Water shortages and rising bills.

the cost of living is off the chart. Every bill has gone up. Pop in to Tesco for toothpaste, butter and chicken and it costs an insane amount for just a few items.

the government are crap and taxing the hell out of us.

my salary is stuck. I feel constantly poor now. 10 years ago when I earned significantly less, I felt ok money wise. Chatted today to a colleague about science graduate son who is stuck doing a minimum wage job as there are no jobs here. I’ve noticed this myself in my town. The council have a few, other companies outsourced to India years ago, the pharma company moved out years ago and the land will soon be a new housing estate.

the nhs is a total mess.

housing costs make me want to weep! No chance of moving. Feel bad for my kids. They just keep building expensive houses here all packed into poorly designed estates. Tiny gardens. But no infrastructure. The promised schools get cancelled and drs surgeries and hospitals are rammed with patients. My mortgage of course is up.

in my industry… everyone is obsessed with AI and I’m sad to say it has taken some jobs already. There is a huge push towards AI.

there seems to be underlying tension here re migrants. People getting increasingly annoyed.

this country feels like a right mess. Making rich people richer and poor people even poorer. The middle earners are getting squeezed. I hate it.

i don’t remember it being this bad ever before.

why is it so terrible? And what do you think will happen?

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CaptainMyCaptain · 13/08/2025 14:38

hippysun · 13/08/2025 11:12

Also I earn over £50k a year and I feel poor. I have three kids. And food bills have doubled. I receive no payrise or bonus in recent years. I got made redundant a few years back too. My kids have never been on a plane (one is nearly a teen), we don’t go on holiday as we can’t afford. They don’t even have passports and never have. I can only dream of moving to next house above. I don’t do DIY and we can’t afford big purchases like carpet, new sofa do we make do. I sell my old used stuff on vinted and do surveys to make a bit of extra cash so I can pay for Christmas and birthdays etc.

were people really behaving like this in the 70s?

Pretty much. Contrary to popular opinion not everybody bought a house either although there were still council houses albeit with a long wait. I was in my 20s before I went on holiday abroad.

On the plus side we had free university education which made a huge difference to me.

Foolsgold74 · 13/08/2025 14:38

MaraB77 · 13/08/2025 14:35

We'll need to prepare for the idea of a Universal Basic Income. There aren't going to be enough jobs.

Or people could stop having children they can't afford and over time, the population will right-size itself again.

rainingsnoring · 13/08/2025 14:43

AntikytheraMech · 13/08/2025 13:41

Just to add to this.
The proliferation of applications on phones and tablets has dramatically reduced the attention span (I had a casual 40 minute chat with psychiatrist outside a hotel in Plymouth once, in the last 10 years). Lovely gentlemen from India.
I asked what he was doing in Plymouth.
He said he specialised in addiction and was brought in by a games app developer to make the games more addictive to keep the dopamine hits so that anyone playing would get addicted.
This kind of physiological manipulation can result in hugely decreased attention spans as the brain is developing.
Add to that the isolation and social interaction compromise that came from covid lockdowns as well as the constant fear mill and now Doom scrolling, the brains aren't the same as it was for the people of my kind of age which is mid 50s.
Even an addition pertinence of AI replacing the first three years of new graduates into the big four and accountancy firms and many other companies it looks like time for apprentices in plumbing, electrical, gas, engineering, seem to be the safest options to avoid the looming wolf of AI.
I lectured at my old grammar School in 2018 about the upcoming possibilities of AI and spoke with multiple groups of sixth formers to determine what Fields they were going to move into.
Veterinarians, tick.
Civil engineers, tick.
People that were thinking of going into accountancy and even those who were going into law or medicine I advise them to brush up how to use it as a tool because it can never replace the humanitarian side or maybe it will one day but I was relieved to hear most of those particular cohort were buffered against the impacts of things like AI.
Both GPT and grock have released versions in the last week that surpass PhD level knowledge with fully referenced documentation as to where the knowledge came from enabling verification.
I've got three boys aged 16 and under and I've been working in IT since 1983, and have kept a very close eye on it.
Times they are a changing.

Totally agree that the proliferation of iPhones, etc and the nature of SM has been a disaster for young people in the main.
AI impacts are impossible to predict accurately but, yes to something hands on. I have discussed this with my children several times too and advised them that they should try to be multi skilled and flexible as this will be very much needed in the future. Not that they necessarily listen!

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 14:45

AntikytheraMech · 13/08/2025 13:24

Approximately 9 million working-age people in England are not working, out of a total working-age population of 35.6 million, representing about 25.3% of the working-age population.

Yes, far more than unemployment in the 70s by this metric and I think it’s a huge part of the crisis. I do think our official unemployment figures are heavily massaged in a way that was not the case back then.

Due to job centre workers literally being incentivised to improve their “out of work” figures, even if that’s by encouraging young people to become “students” rather than “unemployed” with no realistic hope of successfully managing a uni course let alone having a realistic idea of what they might hope to achieve post graduation even if they do and the risks of a student loan.

And even more so by encouraging people to consider themselves as unfit for work due to health issues (I know this as I am a GP and frequently have people coming to me saying they’ve been advised to get signed off as long term sick by the job centre even though their medical issues are in fact trivial, potentially curable within a relatively short time frame, or could easily be worked around with only minor adaptations needed in their usual field of work, or by moving to another field of work altogether (eg someone may no longer manage a warehouse job with lots of heavy lifting due to bad arthritis in their hips/knees but could be fine in a desk job though this does require retraining).

This comes together with a much wider definition of “disability” being socially and culturally accepted, and suddenly we have huge swaths of people, particularly in younger generations, who have never worked due to their anxiety or high functioning autism etc. When I think these people could absolutely manage at least some work in some capacity (I genuinely believe if we did not have a welfare state at all, not that I am advocating for that, many people would miraculously find themselves more capable of working and earning money to live on than is the case at present). Yes, not every job will be suitable and not every employer is understanding enough to make the required accommodations. But in my view that’s the side of things we should be focussing more on, encouraging employers to be genuinely disability-friendly while also encouraging people to not write themselves off forever from the world of work due to things like minor mental health issues or neurodiversity. Disability in my mind should not automatically equate to unable to work in any capacity in the way that it currently seems to be accepted.

I also think Starmer made a serious mistake bending so far to pressure from backbenchers over the plans to reform disability benefits. The government needs money from somewhere and it’s now going to have to come from somewhere else, and there are not all that many realistic options left open to them (think taxes rising generally is a given, I was also reading they plan to specifically try to reform inheritance taxes to make more money). Perhaps some further refining was needed in order for MPs to feel they could vote this reform through, without feeling that they would be leaving disabled people genuinely unable to work without adequate money for basic needs. Paired with a PR campaign for both the public and MPs to explain exactly why this reform is needed and showing the potential positive outcomes from this. Along with measures to ensure that disability discrimination among employers is stamped out so that disabled people capable of some work would realistically have job prospects as an alternative to surviving on benefits alone. And also measures to make sure that work does pay, and not only aimed at the working class, middle classes are increasingly working harder and harder for less and less real buying power.

In my view this sort of reform is much needed, and would have really addressed what is becoming a really serious problem with the economy, which is a lack of working age people actually working. Literally 23 percent of our working age population is now classed as disabled with almost half of these people unemployed, compared to over 80 percent of the non disabled working population. Of course some disabilities are very severe and there absolutely are people who are not capable of any form of work and never will be, but those people are not the bulk of the almost 1 in 4 working age people who consider themselves disabled.

The pandemic didn’t help, a lot of people with lost their jobs where work could not be done from home or businesses went bust etc. especially younger people living with their parents with no dependents and in casual zero hours type jobs, and moved onto benefits support out of financial necessity at the time as many of the usual work simply wasn’t available at the time. Many of these people have some sort of health issue that did not pose a problem for them working or they were able to work around it prepandemic, but in my opinion they have now become used to living on benefits at a similar level to the minimum wages they once made, have lost confidence, and understandably to some degree aren’t rushing to get back into the workplace. A lot of older people evaluated their lives during the pandemic and decided to take early retirement if they could afford it. So suddenly many people 50-plus have been removed from the working population at the same time as many people are now being classified as “disabled/unable to work” rather than “unemployed” per se.

So the headline unemployment figures not being crazy is absolutely obscuring a fuller story about work in the U.K.

BurntBroccoli · 13/08/2025 14:46

Livelovebehappy · 13/08/2025 10:59

But these things were something where progression would alter the problems, medical science and manufacturing inventions. The issue now is that many problems won't be reversed. For example AI is here to stay and is going to alter society for the worse. Prices aren't going to drop. They never do. They either just plateau for a while, or they go up. Immigrant unrest won't change. We can't ask people already granted permission to remain, to now leave. So our country is pretty much going.to stay over populated, and Labour aren't going to do anything to stem further immigration. So we're all pretty screwed.

So do you think that Labour has been the cause of excess immigration?
You need to look at some actual figures:

Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?
Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?
Holluschickie · 13/08/2025 14:46

Honestly not everyone is suited to becoming a plumber or an electrician.

IcedPurple · 13/08/2025 14:48

Holluschickie · 13/08/2025 14:46

Honestly not everyone is suited to becoming a plumber or an electrician.

No, of course not.

But the reality is that many if not most traditional 'white collar' jobs are going to be replaced by AI in the next several years. Automation has already led to the loss of many blue collar jobs, a trend which will only accelerate.

So what's left?

WatermelonGatorJerky · 13/08/2025 14:48

My take on the UK is to stop trying and then, you’ll stop caring by default.

Example . I had one child and then realised that I would never be able to do enough for them to make their life better than what mine was. My childhood in the 80’s was idyllic.
So I stopped at one.

My husband and I both earn between £55,000- £60,000 a year and have good saving capacity. But we don’t bother. Instead we’ve spent the past 20 years buying what our son needs and blowing the rest. Indulging in extremely expensive holidays and on beautiful jewellery. After 25 years of work, we have less than 10,000 in our bank accounts. £5000 in a joint account and then a couple of grand each in our current accounts.

We are currently on a month long trip to the states, blowing last years earnings. When we come back we will book for next year.

We will continue to live like this, as it makes life spectacularly enjoyable. When we die, we will leave the house to our son, but I might transfer that over to him sooner and buy a camper van.

My husband and I made a decision to live out our lives having a fabulous time and leave as little as possible that could be taxed - then we don’t have to worry about tomorrow. The UK is very poorly governed and much too socialist for my liking. The government love other people’s hard earned money, so spend it and enjoy it is my mantra and if you start accumulating too much (as mortgages are paid off etc) then reduce working time and earnings.

Lavenderflower · 13/08/2025 14:49

The Uk is experiencing a period of decline, a trend mirrored across much of the Western world. The UK does not have any manufacturing prowess or industrial output. Its economic model heavily dependent on imported goods and foreign labour, much of it from developing countries. This arrangement kept costs low for decades, but it is no longer sustainable.As living standards and wages in these developing nations continue to rise, our reliance on their cheap goods and services will inevitably lead to higher costs at home. The economic conditions that shaped the baby boomer generation, marked by unprecedented post-war growth and prosperity, were unique in modern history. In contrast, the generations that follow may face challenges more akin to those endured by pre-boomer generations, with slower growth, reduced living standards, and the return of economic hardship as a common experience. If wasn't for London, the UK would probably be a developing country.

rainingsnoring · 13/08/2025 14:49

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 14:45

Yes, far more than unemployment in the 70s by this metric and I think it’s a huge part of the crisis. I do think our official unemployment figures are heavily massaged in a way that was not the case back then.

Due to job centre workers literally being incentivised to improve their “out of work” figures, even if that’s by encouraging young people to become “students” rather than “unemployed” with no realistic hope of successfully managing a uni course let alone having a realistic idea of what they might hope to achieve post graduation even if they do and the risks of a student loan.

And even more so by encouraging people to consider themselves as unfit for work due to health issues (I know this as I am a GP and frequently have people coming to me saying they’ve been advised to get signed off as long term sick by the job centre even though their medical issues are in fact trivial, potentially curable within a relatively short time frame, or could easily be worked around with only minor adaptations needed in their usual field of work, or by moving to another field of work altogether (eg someone may no longer manage a warehouse job with lots of heavy lifting due to bad arthritis in their hips/knees but could be fine in a desk job though this does require retraining).

This comes together with a much wider definition of “disability” being socially and culturally accepted, and suddenly we have huge swaths of people, particularly in younger generations, who have never worked due to their anxiety or high functioning autism etc. When I think these people could absolutely manage at least some work in some capacity (I genuinely believe if we did not have a welfare state at all, not that I am advocating for that, many people would miraculously find themselves more capable of working and earning money to live on than is the case at present). Yes, not every job will be suitable and not every employer is understanding enough to make the required accommodations. But in my view that’s the side of things we should be focussing more on, encouraging employers to be genuinely disability-friendly while also encouraging people to not write themselves off forever from the world of work due to things like minor mental health issues or neurodiversity. Disability in my mind should not automatically equate to unable to work in any capacity in the way that it currently seems to be accepted.

I also think Starmer made a serious mistake bending so far to pressure from backbenchers over the plans to reform disability benefits. The government needs money from somewhere and it’s now going to have to come from somewhere else, and there are not all that many realistic options left open to them (think taxes rising generally is a given, I was also reading they plan to specifically try to reform inheritance taxes to make more money). Perhaps some further refining was needed in order for MPs to feel they could vote this reform through, without feeling that they would be leaving disabled people genuinely unable to work without adequate money for basic needs. Paired with a PR campaign for both the public and MPs to explain exactly why this reform is needed and showing the potential positive outcomes from this. Along with measures to ensure that disability discrimination among employers is stamped out so that disabled people capable of some work would realistically have job prospects as an alternative to surviving on benefits alone. And also measures to make sure that work does pay, and not only aimed at the working class, middle classes are increasingly working harder and harder for less and less real buying power.

In my view this sort of reform is much needed, and would have really addressed what is becoming a really serious problem with the economy, which is a lack of working age people actually working. Literally 23 percent of our working age population is now classed as disabled with almost half of these people unemployed, compared to over 80 percent of the non disabled working population. Of course some disabilities are very severe and there absolutely are people who are not capable of any form of work and never will be, but those people are not the bulk of the almost 1 in 4 working age people who consider themselves disabled.

The pandemic didn’t help, a lot of people with lost their jobs where work could not be done from home or businesses went bust etc. especially younger people living with their parents with no dependents and in casual zero hours type jobs, and moved onto benefits support out of financial necessity at the time as many of the usual work simply wasn’t available at the time. Many of these people have some sort of health issue that did not pose a problem for them working or they were able to work around it prepandemic, but in my opinion they have now become used to living on benefits at a similar level to the minimum wages they once made, have lost confidence, and understandably to some degree aren’t rushing to get back into the workplace. A lot of older people evaluated their lives during the pandemic and decided to take early retirement if they could afford it. So suddenly many people 50-plus have been removed from the working population at the same time as many people are now being classified as “disabled/unable to work” rather than “unemployed” per se.

So the headline unemployment figures not being crazy is absolutely obscuring a fuller story about work in the U.K.

Edited

I agree with you and the other poster that the real unemployment figures are far worse, for various reasons, than those that are published.
I also think that even the published figures will continue to rise, even in the next 6-12 months.

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:50

@Britneyfanthat is a good point. Those out of work is high even if unemployment figure is lower. Due to people not actively looking for work and not in the latter.

Netcurtainnelly · 13/08/2025 14:54

hippysun · 13/08/2025 10:03

Thames water on brink of collapse. All those CEOs getting fat bonuses. Water shortages and rising bills.

the cost of living is off the chart. Every bill has gone up. Pop in to Tesco for toothpaste, butter and chicken and it costs an insane amount for just a few items.

the government are crap and taxing the hell out of us.

my salary is stuck. I feel constantly poor now. 10 years ago when I earned significantly less, I felt ok money wise. Chatted today to a colleague about science graduate son who is stuck doing a minimum wage job as there are no jobs here. I’ve noticed this myself in my town. The council have a few, other companies outsourced to India years ago, the pharma company moved out years ago and the land will soon be a new housing estate.

the nhs is a total mess.

housing costs make me want to weep! No chance of moving. Feel bad for my kids. They just keep building expensive houses here all packed into poorly designed estates. Tiny gardens. But no infrastructure. The promised schools get cancelled and drs surgeries and hospitals are rammed with patients. My mortgage of course is up.

in my industry… everyone is obsessed with AI and I’m sad to say it has taken some jobs already. There is a huge push towards AI.

there seems to be underlying tension here re migrants. People getting increasingly annoyed.

this country feels like a right mess. Making rich people richer and poor people even poorer. The middle earners are getting squeezed. I hate it.

i don’t remember it being this bad ever before.

why is it so terrible? And what do you think will happen?

Don't forget prisons are full, stabbings are every week too
Shoplifting is high.
Violence in school is bad, teachers leave.
Teens and Children are killing each other

.

Nobody's got the backbone or strength to get a grip. So it goes on.

rainingsnoring · 13/08/2025 14:55

Lavenderflower · 13/08/2025 14:49

The Uk is experiencing a period of decline, a trend mirrored across much of the Western world. The UK does not have any manufacturing prowess or industrial output. Its economic model heavily dependent on imported goods and foreign labour, much of it from developing countries. This arrangement kept costs low for decades, but it is no longer sustainable.As living standards and wages in these developing nations continue to rise, our reliance on their cheap goods and services will inevitably lead to higher costs at home. The economic conditions that shaped the baby boomer generation, marked by unprecedented post-war growth and prosperity, were unique in modern history. In contrast, the generations that follow may face challenges more akin to those endured by pre-boomer generations, with slower growth, reduced living standards, and the return of economic hardship as a common experience. If wasn't for London, the UK would probably be a developing country.

Certainly, there is no long term plan for the UK economy. As you say, there is far less manufacturing now and we are an importer nation. We have also sold off most of our infrastructure and businesses to foreigners, which progressively worsens the UK's economy. The housing market (and stock markets) have been deliberately inflated to keep the population spending, which has also caused knock on problems.
It wasn't just the post war generation that enjoyed unprecedented improvement in their living standards. There have been improvements in the last couple of hundred years. That has clearly changed now, so the standards of living of the young and middle aged are lower than those of the elderly. That is unprecedented in the last 200 years or so.

PollyannaNibbs · 13/08/2025 14:56

never ate out or went to the theatre or to Christmas extravaganas, bought all their food ingredients from a greengrocers and spent hours turning it into meals, only had one car and very limited monthly discretional spending (phones, subscriptions, gyms etc). The money they didn't spend on non-discretional living costs (bills and food) they saved as there wasn't really anything else to do

That's pretty spot on. As a child in the 70s we didn't have a car, no TV and no house phone. These were luxuries we didn't need. Food took one third of your income. Imagine spending that now!

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 14:56

Foolsgold74 · 13/08/2025 14:38

Or people could stop having children they can't afford and over time, the population will right-size itself again.

I’m not anti-immigrant at all, but this just isn’t going to happen surely realistically in a country that allows immigration and has an ageing population.

Already people in the U.K. are having less kids -every woman needs to have 2.1 children to maintain the population size and currently they are having just under 1.5. The birth rate has been declining since 2010 due to economic pressures, socio-cultural attitudes and things like the 2 child cap on child benefit. Already families are having way less children here than they used to.

At the same time we have many more elderly than before. Therefore we are importing immigrants to fill the gaps in things like caring jobs. We need them. So I don’t think people having even less kids is really going to help.

I do think we should have stricter immigration controls similar to Australia where you have to demonstrate your ability to fill a gap in the labour market to be able to get a visa really. But even with that we will still have the issue of an ageing population and a low birth rate meaning a shrinking pool of working age people.

Lavenderflower · 13/08/2025 14:59

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 14:45

Yes, far more than unemployment in the 70s by this metric and I think it’s a huge part of the crisis. I do think our official unemployment figures are heavily massaged in a way that was not the case back then.

Due to job centre workers literally being incentivised to improve their “out of work” figures, even if that’s by encouraging young people to become “students” rather than “unemployed” with no realistic hope of successfully managing a uni course let alone having a realistic idea of what they might hope to achieve post graduation even if they do and the risks of a student loan.

And even more so by encouraging people to consider themselves as unfit for work due to health issues (I know this as I am a GP and frequently have people coming to me saying they’ve been advised to get signed off as long term sick by the job centre even though their medical issues are in fact trivial, potentially curable within a relatively short time frame, or could easily be worked around with only minor adaptations needed in their usual field of work, or by moving to another field of work altogether (eg someone may no longer manage a warehouse job with lots of heavy lifting due to bad arthritis in their hips/knees but could be fine in a desk job though this does require retraining).

This comes together with a much wider definition of “disability” being socially and culturally accepted, and suddenly we have huge swaths of people, particularly in younger generations, who have never worked due to their anxiety or high functioning autism etc. When I think these people could absolutely manage at least some work in some capacity (I genuinely believe if we did not have a welfare state at all, not that I am advocating for that, many people would miraculously find themselves more capable of working and earning money to live on than is the case at present). Yes, not every job will be suitable and not every employer is understanding enough to make the required accommodations. But in my view that’s the side of things we should be focussing more on, encouraging employers to be genuinely disability-friendly while also encouraging people to not write themselves off forever from the world of work due to things like minor mental health issues or neurodiversity. Disability in my mind should not automatically equate to unable to work in any capacity in the way that it currently seems to be accepted.

I also think Starmer made a serious mistake bending so far to pressure from backbenchers over the plans to reform disability benefits. The government needs money from somewhere and it’s now going to have to come from somewhere else, and there are not all that many realistic options left open to them (think taxes rising generally is a given, I was also reading they plan to specifically try to reform inheritance taxes to make more money). Perhaps some further refining was needed in order for MPs to feel they could vote this reform through, without feeling that they would be leaving disabled people genuinely unable to work without adequate money for basic needs. Paired with a PR campaign for both the public and MPs to explain exactly why this reform is needed and showing the potential positive outcomes from this. Along with measures to ensure that disability discrimination among employers is stamped out so that disabled people capable of some work would realistically have job prospects as an alternative to surviving on benefits alone. And also measures to make sure that work does pay, and not only aimed at the working class, middle classes are increasingly working harder and harder for less and less real buying power.

In my view this sort of reform is much needed, and would have really addressed what is becoming a really serious problem with the economy, which is a lack of working age people actually working. Literally 23 percent of our working age population is now classed as disabled with almost half of these people unemployed, compared to over 80 percent of the non disabled working population. Of course some disabilities are very severe and there absolutely are people who are not capable of any form of work and never will be, but those people are not the bulk of the almost 1 in 4 working age people who consider themselves disabled.

The pandemic didn’t help, a lot of people with lost their jobs where work could not be done from home or businesses went bust etc. especially younger people living with their parents with no dependents and in casual zero hours type jobs, and moved onto benefits support out of financial necessity at the time as many of the usual work simply wasn’t available at the time. Many of these people have some sort of health issue that did not pose a problem for them working or they were able to work around it prepandemic, but in my opinion they have now become used to living on benefits at a similar level to the minimum wages they once made, have lost confidence, and understandably to some degree aren’t rushing to get back into the workplace. A lot of older people evaluated their lives during the pandemic and decided to take early retirement if they could afford it. So suddenly many people 50-plus have been removed from the working population at the same time as many people are now being classified as “disabled/unable to work” rather than “unemployed” per se.

So the headline unemployment figures not being crazy is absolutely obscuring a fuller story about work in the U.K.

Edited

I think you might alluding to two separate issues - I think there are people who are low skilled being incentivised to be on disability benefits. On the other spectrum, there are people who genuinely disabled. Most employers do not want to employ disabled people. Unfortunately, a lot of GPs, don't seem to recognise, when signing fit notes, the employers are not interested in making reasonable adjustment - many of them actually want you to sign them of sick so they can eventually be managed out.

BurntBroccoli · 13/08/2025 14:59

ComtesseDeSpair · 13/08/2025 11:18

Yes. If I look back at childhood photos in relatives’ and friends’ homes, the sort of household decor I see in them which nowadays would be considered dated and shabby was just the norm. We weren’t poor, but we didn’t have a lot of new stuff, or expect it. Likewise, cars. I grew up in a fairly affluent city in a mixed area, but when I think back to the cars driven by my parents and relatives and friends’ parents, most of them were getting on for 20 years old. A brand new car made you a cut above. For all the MNers who claim to drive an old banger, how often do you glance around the car park and see a 20-year-old or older car as anything but an exception nowadays, in a sea of shiny cars barely a few years old?

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My car is ancient - 18 this year!

GasPanic · 13/08/2025 15:00

stuckdownahole · 13/08/2025 13:45

In 2015, ten years ago, 50.1% of the electorate voted for parties (Conservative, UKIP or DUP) which expressed a desire to cut net immigration. In ten years since, net immigration has increased.

What's actually happening is that we have an ageing population and most immigrants are relatively young and come to work. If the UK decreases net immigration then the working population will get smaller due to more older workers leaving the workforce than young people joining it. This will cause GDP (a measure of total economic activity) to also decrease, placing the country officially into recession, which will make it harder to borrow the money that the government needs to plug the gap between the money collected via taxation and the money spent on services.

If you don't understand that story, it seems as though successive democractically elected governments have wilfully ignored the majority opinion and it's one of the things making people angry, fed by Twitter and the 24-hour news cycle.

The last time we had a significant democratic deficit it resulted in Brexit.

Politicians ignoring the electorates wishes in the long term never ends well.

Using immigration to drive GDP is naive for a number of reasons, especially in a society long on welfare. In countries like the States it might work because the social safety net is low and therefore immigrants need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps - they have little other choice. The draw for them is the opportunity to do that and make a successful life which ultimately contributes significantly to GDP, in the UK there is the additional option of trying to game benefits out of the welfare system, which obviously has significantly less benefits for society.

The ageing population problem is an issue for the UK. Successive governments have decided the solution to this is to import more young people from overseas, rather than encourage more domestic births. Domestic births are a problem in the UK because the middle class are probably the people most likely to be reluctant to procreate because of financial prudency and this of course is going to lead to balancing issues in society, this is why governments are starting to explore things like encouraging greater social mobility in education.. As ever, high house prices are a significant issue here.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2025 15:00

BurntBroccoli · 13/08/2025 14:59

My car is ancient - 18 this year!

So is mine! Lexy, my hybrid. Best car I’ve ever had.

MoominMai · 13/08/2025 15:03

PaddlingSwan · 13/08/2025 10:18

Having spent a fair amount of time "playing" with AI yesterday and this morning - different bots as well - there are some things that it just cannot do.
There will always be a need for an experienced human to check the results.
It is a bit like using a calculator to do maths, you need to have a rough idea of the answers.
This morning I asked Meta (which is akin to Chat GPT's younger, slightly more dense sibling) to recommend me somewhere to go for lunch today.
I gave it an exact location and a budget. The answers it came up with were ludicrous, including:

  1. Places not open at lunchtime.
  2. Places than no longer exist.
  3. Places well outside the budget.
  4. Places located 100s of km away.

If you challenge it or point out the errors, it goes all smarmy - which is annoying in itself.
I also asked it to suggest some coastal locations on an island I know and stipulated that the accommodation must have a sea view. One of its suggestions was about as inland as you can get.
I rest my case.

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Tbh, this is far from the truth. You’re playing about with the most basic free/cheap AI apps.

In reality, the AI that companies and governments use is incredibly advanced. Eg AI is already revolutionising warfare as the military is utilising AI to make itself more effective. And it’s attracting millions to develop rapidly, eg the US govt last month awarded a key player OpenAI (who own ChatGPT), a $200 million contract to develop its military capabilities further.

It’s predicted by the industries themselves such as Accounting, Banking, Insurance, Coding, Creative Design including the Civil Service who freely admit that the corporate AI providers they use are so effective and capable that they said they believe AI can do two thirds of a junior officers job and cuts are already planned wholly based on AI capabilities.

The threat from AI is very real. It’s not comparable to anything that’s gone before. People sleepwalking still are due a sharp shock when they wake up.

Foolsgold74 · 13/08/2025 15:04

Britneyfan · 13/08/2025 14:56

I’m not anti-immigrant at all, but this just isn’t going to happen surely realistically in a country that allows immigration and has an ageing population.

Already people in the U.K. are having less kids -every woman needs to have 2.1 children to maintain the population size and currently they are having just under 1.5. The birth rate has been declining since 2010 due to economic pressures, socio-cultural attitudes and things like the 2 child cap on child benefit. Already families are having way less children here than they used to.

At the same time we have many more elderly than before. Therefore we are importing immigrants to fill the gaps in things like caring jobs. We need them. So I don’t think people having even less kids is really going to help.

I do think we should have stricter immigration controls similar to Australia where you have to demonstrate your ability to fill a gap in the labour market to be able to get a visa really. But even with that we will still have the issue of an ageing population and a low birth rate meaning a shrinking pool of working age people.

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Agreed but stricter immigration controls just isn't happening in the UK right now.

FigTreeInEurope · 13/08/2025 15:05

I think AI will replace middle management in many settings. You'll have workers interacting with AI, and directors interacting with AI and little need for anything in the middle. That would change the face of Britain alone.

lifeonmars100 · 13/08/2025 15:05

Holluschickie · 13/08/2025 14:46

Honestly not everyone is suited to becoming a plumber or an electrician.

I would be awful at both!

romatheroamer · 13/08/2025 15:07

Britneyfan
Thanks for a v interesting post.
I have three contemporaries, friends but can be hard work, who have had a lot of difficulty holding down jobs, frequent changes, v short spells. At least two of them have what would now be diagnosed as autism/ADHD symptoms but there was never any question of their being unable to seek work or being unable to hold a job for medical reasons. Those just weren't a thing.

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 13/08/2025 15:11

5 years ago i was better off than I am now on less money. My electricity was £50 a month, my food bill was bloody cheap think about £150 a month all in. Cat food was about £3.75 it's now over £5. Petrol was less than a pound. Water was £20. I had money to go out, get my hair cut and buy decent hair products.

I fixed my mortgage 2 years ago for 5 years so that's okay.

There are more important things they could be doing (sorting out the water companies) rather than taking a relatively decent train operator back into public ownership. South Western Railway have been pretty reliable over the years.

It's shit and not getting any better.

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