Uk is in big trouble - what do you think will happen?

[hippysun]

Thames water on brink of collapse. All those CEOs getting fat bonuses. Water shortages and rising bills.

the cost of living is off the chart. Every bill has gone up. Pop in to Tesco for toothpaste, butter and chicken and it costs an insane amount for just a few items.

the government are crap and taxing the hell out of us.

my salary is stuck. I feel constantly poor now. 10 years ago when I earned significantly less, I felt ok money wise. Chatted today to a colleague about science graduate son who is stuck doing a minimum wage job as there are no jobs here. I’ve noticed this myself in my town. The council have a few, other companies outsourced to India years ago, the pharma company moved out years ago and the land will soon be a new housing estate.

the nhs is a total mess.

housing costs make me want to weep! No chance of moving. Feel bad for my kids. They just keep building expensive houses here all packed into poorly designed estates. Tiny gardens. But no infrastructure. The promised schools get cancelled and drs surgeries and hospitals are rammed with patients. My mortgage of course is up.

in my industry… everyone is obsessed with AI and I’m sad to say it has taken some jobs already. There is a huge push towards AI.

there seems to be underlying tension here re migrants. People getting increasingly annoyed.

this country feels like a right mess. Making rich people richer and poor people even poorer. The middle earners are getting squeezed. I hate it.

i don’t remember it being this bad ever before.

why is it so terrible? And what do you think will happen?

Well, we will see in 2029. You might long to have the racists in charge, most people don't.

No, I long to have Labour out.

You have said you'll vote Reform. And that all your friends will.

I have admit I am getting frustrated with the

“yeah but it’s shit in France too”

“yeah but it was even worse in 1970”

well it wasn’t worse in 90s and in 2014 I could actually afford butter without worry. In 2008 my company was doing well and we had a bonus. In 2010 we could afford to go to centre parcs. I’m the 90s we travelled on holiday as a family as my parents had zero fear of redundancy.

this argument doesn’t stack up. I’m not comparing bomb threats in 1970s to not being able to afford bills in 2025.

this ain’t right at all. I’m comparing the fact that I’ve been paying £190 of student loan since I was 20 whereas my older sister pays none.

my relative who is a doctor is also financially behind.being a doctor in 1970 is nothing like it was now. If a bloody dr can’t afford a decent house then what hope is there for rest of us.

something has gone horribly wrong. I don’t need the daily mail to tell me. I can see it with my own eyes.

Yes because, and I will only say this once more because I've said it ad nauseum but you obviously aren't taking it in, there is NO other option where I live!
Tories were decimated last year.
It is Reform Vs Labour and I'm not voting Labour

You aren't understanding that in many WC areas those are the only choice.

The world will keep turning and people will adapt. What do you think is going to happen? Plague, floods, urgh!

This.

So many of these types of posts lately. Was just waiting to tick the migrant box and yep, there it was 🙄

I would also disagree that “socially things are better”. Anti semitism stuff, racism (stop the boats etc), and the constant arguing about what a woman is? Still work to be done in my opinion.

When I
etc university in 1985 unemployment (thatcher) was at 3 million. Even the smaller numbers of graduates then were stuck for jobs. As were huge populations of people in working class in areas of heavy industry etc. thatcher decimated British manufacturing.

at same time interest rates were rising- people were loosing their homes hand over fist to repossessions, being bought out by property darons to rent. Social housing was being sold off . Only reason a lot of working class didn’t feel pinch of rent increases were that there were still huge stock of council houses left for next few years.
and to cap it all, thatcher sold off our public assets :water, gas, electricity, phones. Even firgging care homes, prisons were outsourced staffed to contracts Sure, there were issues under public ownership- but anyone who can do maths can realise that in private ownership profits will ned to be made and their new customers would be paying for that,

Strikes everywhere

the issue is that many people have not been touched by austerity under Tories, as they bounced in from labours last government. Now that decimation of public services and is being felt .

in due course cycles of government, recession, booms will spin again. Things will improve eventually. It’s just extraordinary painful at the time. But it is not the end of the world just yet.

These kind of posts don’t help. But most people don’t want any party if it’s phrased that way, it comes down to who can get over the FPTP threshold to flip seats.

It’s cyclical

We never recovered from 08 though

You are going to vote for a rascist party and you are hoping a racist party will win in 2029. You would rather have a racist government than a Labour government.

I am not voting FOR a party, I am voting AGAINST Labour. Same as many voters did last July ie voted AGAINST Tories, not FOR Labour.
You like tactical voting when it goes your way, not so much when it doesn't?

Why are reform racist? What have they said that are racist? What policy is racist?

I’ve not even considered who I’ll vote for next time. I don’t like any of them.

You might want to pussy foot around the fact that Reform is a party rooted in racism. I don't. If that offends Reform supporters, well boo bloody hoo.

Currently planning on moving back to the UK after 15 years gone. Bringing back two children, and a husband from an EU country. Threads like this make me doubt our decision

The key factor for me is the infantilisation of society. Too many waves of government have stripped people of even the most basic of 'survival' skills - can you even imagine the UK population inventing and reacting on the hoof like Ukraine has had to do?

I’m not sure you’ll get far with it but ik what you’re saying is wrong for the pp.

You have no idea what it was like. No equal pay for women, no maternity leave or pay, no childcare, no mortgages or loans for women without their husband or dad’s signature, people with skin that isn’t white openly abused in public. Racism was far worse, antisemitism rife. Discrimination was everywhere against everyone but white men.

You are right @hippysun. It's clear that the UK is in big trouble and more and more people are realising it, judging by the number of similar posts on here!

Overall, things have been declining since around the turn of the century.
Salaries have been stagnant since at least the GFC, meanwhile asset prices have been deliberately inflated.
Debt, both private and government is huge and increasingly problematic. This will lead to a larger VGFC at some point.
Public service have massively deteriorated
Infrastructure is a major problem, buildings and roads are very poorly maintained.
Apart from that, there are major social problems such as inequality, lack of societal cohesion and a focus on the individual above the collective, increasing angry and distrust. A large percentage of the population seem to be quite content with this which is, in itself, a problem.

There will be less wealth going forwards, less ability to spend on discretionary things like foreign travel and meals out, rising unemployment and, very likely, a lot of social unrest as a minimum, major conflicts at worse.

I definitely wouldn't. But it's the nature of politics that when people don't see any hope among the mainstream parties, they resort to more radical ones. It's an extreme example, but that's how the Nazi's got into power - times were really tough with hyperinflation in Germany and Hitler promised people a better future, and for some people things were better with him in charge. But he brought horrific extremist views and a war with him. I don't think that's where we are headed, but just giving an example of how otherwise decent people can end up voting for an extreme option out of desperation.

That's why I really hope Labour sort out this mess, give people hope that they have a viable plan, and people feel positive changes, so then people won't resort to the extreme option of Reform. It's naive to think they won't get in if Labour don't sort out their current shitshow of a government.

I think you'll find there was quite a lot of racism in the '70's. Maybe look at the experience of the Ugandan Asians, not to mention the 'No dogs, no blacks, no Irish'.
See also sexism. Watch an old Bond film!

Now I know this thread is nonsense.

”Why is reform racist?”.

Seriously?

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I will not be voting for Reform, for lots of reasons.

But I do think there’s a lot of ‘doctor heal thyself’ about accusations of racism that come from political viewpoints. Much of Labour, the Libs and the Greens are easily thought antisemitic.

I would never vote for them. This thread seems to have deteriorated into people yelling Racist at every opportunity. It makes me want to say, ‘I’m a racist! So what.’ So many Witchfinder Generals on here.