To wonder how the UK will look in 3 years time?

[Labradorlover987]

I was inspired to write this after reading the UC post that was just reported - the govt’s welfare bill has passed but was watered down so unlikely to make any real savings.

I earn 40k, have a school age child and just feel like I am living hand to mouth 😩 I 100% think there should be a welfare systems that supports people on low incomes but I wonder how the current system will be sustained in the long run?

Just wondered what other people thought.

I actually wouldn’t mind paying more in taxes if we could be guaranteed more in services etc - for example my council tax just went up and the services seem even worse this year than usual.

Accountability for what? The deep seated consequences of 14 years of poor management and bad decisions by various conservative governments?
No, it doesn’t.

It’s why the entire “net contributor” argument is so pointless and illogical

I agree that it's pretty redundant and we have always had a higher % of net takers. Obviously an increasingly ageing population means more net takers.

high not higher

Why can't you edit on the app!!!

The decisions they’ve made. NI for example, and others.

It's also gobsmackingly obvious that lasting effect of the damage they are doing to education, aspiration and growth will take decades to undo.

The trouble is people are now feeling the impacts of austerity & wage stagnation because of interest rates and inflation. You can't just criticise labour without looking at what they stepped into.

Something has to give.
Lets not forget all great civilizations implode in the end. The British empire is no different. It will collapse and a new empire will grow and be successful for a time and history repeats itself. But it has to come to an end first.

Why are so many people determined to ignore this simple truth 🤷‍♀️

Because you’re ignoring Labour’s decisions 🤷‍♀️

Yes 100% agree. People expect too much too soon & things aren't getting worse at all, just suits some pp to bang this drum, as they want the Tories back in.

After all, it took the Tories 5 years before ALL the previous NHS targets were missed.

FTSE all time highs, great for pensions.... inflation has been driven by energy costs - as per the BoE, we have avoided a recession, unlike in 2023, under Sunak.

NHS spending up.... but it takes time, even to order a new MRI scanner would take months, then we need staff, takes 3 years to train....

Yes unemployment up but has stabilised and as much to do with AI concerns as anything.

I await the "Labour all good/enjoy/you re in the minority..... pathetically "funny" in a way.

But that's incorrect - a year ago inflation was falling, rapidly. Its current growth is a direct consequence of October budget.

And unemployment which follows rapidly is a consequence of Labour policy as well. Two years ago job market was white hot, we couldn't find people for 100k++ base salaries. Right now people are looking for jobs for six month and more, ready to commute and go for lower offer, still no success. Entry and NMW jobs are particularly suffering.

In 3 years time let’s say the Reform voters get their wet dream of Nigel Farage running the country, (4 years but say it happens or is about to happen), Reform will do exactly the same, blame the previous government but accelerate making the rich richer (especially Mr Farage himself) and the poor poorer, and our international relationships will tumble, except from those with dubious leaders, and it will take decades to repair.

There will be a big speech about how the UK needs to be more like the US and poof in one Parliament the NHS, as we know it financially, will become insurance based, he’s probably already lining up the insurance providers, with nice little commission payments into his offshore Coutts account.

Vote Reform if you can afford it.

The decisions they’ve made. NI for example, and others.

I don't really get the controversy about this. Other European countries pay more into their version of employer social security. If we want better public services & better social security we need to pay for it.

@nearlylovemyusername can you provide any evidence for your post? I feel our definitions of falling and rapidly will be somewhat different 😆

That was a line pre GE wasn’t it, for Labour’s tax rises which they pledged they wouldn’t do, on ‘working people’.

So they hit businesses instead and now have £50bn to fill in Autumn.

Absolutely agree. All Labour are doing is paving a way for Reform. So just run if you can

Why are so many people determined to ignore this simple truth

@EasternStandard why do you think it's simple though? It's not. Have labour made mistakes? yes. Were things a miss prior to this? also yes.

Really? Would you say you always vote Labour out of interest.

Yes really. How do you get better public services without paying for them?

It was a difficult manifesto promise to uphold but they are trying to.

Businesses are being propped up by wage top ups, is it s wrong to try and balance the books?

Just wait and see what percentage of manifesto promises, heaven help us, Reform keep if they get in.

Vote Reform if you can afford it.

I think I would be better off under Reform but will the country be a better place to live in? Doubtful.

Same. We’d probably be laughing all the way to the bank under a Reform government. We give a shit about other people, though.

Really? Really what? Other European countries do charge more for employer contributions.

Would you say you always vote Labour out of interest.

I don't understand this binary way of thinking? I have voted for 3 different parties. But why does me saying austerity was a disaster, that we never recovered from 07 mean I am a labour stan? Who do you always vote for @EasternStandard?

Absolutely agree. All Labour are doing is paving a way for Reform. So just run if you can

And no Tory voters have turned to Reform 😆

In every GE one of the two major parties so far. I’m wondering how someone can’t see the impact of the NI policy on businesses, jobs and growth plus that £50bn here.