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Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/08/2025 23:11

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The 13 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer

3 more from The Observer:

‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...

The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)

‘We thought: it can’t be the Salt Path couple – they’d ha...

Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn

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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12

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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse welcome. It would be helpful to read at least some of the Observer items above before posting. There are currently 16 interesting items on The Observer website and linked to above.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for thirteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Are we all becoming Hyperglycaemic from all the fudge?
Have shares in Cadbury's gone up?
Can we remain cheerful in the face of such shameless glumwashing?
Will I need to fill up with much petrol this thread for the drive-by scoldings?
Will our Chloe H get exclusive interviews with the disgruntled peregrine, tortoise and Hollywood rabbits?
What has our Simon A got to say about this, preferably in verse?

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 13/08/2025 10:09

AlertCat · 13/08/2025 10:03

Listening to that Australian interview and she’s on about the hunger, and keeping it at bay with hot water (one teabag could last all day between them, and no milk). Then into the anecdote about getting knocked by the dog and losing her coins and the dog’s owner poking her with her foot and calling her a drunken tramp. Again, almost verbatim how it’s written in the book. Very little added to the story, even the discussion about losing a sense of self is similar to what she’s said before. No development beyond what’s already been said.

Even the intonation/emphasis is the same: e.g the way she says “a LIFElong friend”.

crossedlines · 13/08/2025 10:13

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 09:51

@Aussiebornandbred · Today 02:01

https://omny.fm/shows/conversations-with-cornesy/conversations-with-cornesy-raynor-winn
Well done. An astonishingly refreshing difference to all the fawning interviews heard previously. Just straightforward questions - with, at least, two highly evasive answers.

Any more helpful Aussies out there?

Edited

anyone with any knowledge of when this podcast was likely recorded? Going by SW’s anxious demeanour and the date it was released, I assume the Observer had already been in touch several times!

User14March · 13/08/2025 10:14

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 09:51

@Aussiebornandbred · Today 02:01

https://omny.fm/shows/conversations-with-cornesy/conversations-with-cornesy-raynor-winn
Well done. An astonishingly refreshing difference to all the fawning interviews heard previously. Just straightforward questions - with, at least, two highly evasive answers.

Any more helpful Aussies out there?

Edited

At about 7:12 ‘at that point I was FIFTY!!’ What is this obsession with thinking self past it & elderly?

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 13/08/2025 10:16

User14March · 13/08/2025 10:06

I wonder if any similar anecdote written in some 50s out of print walking guide, why would this not surprise me.

"I threw myself to the ground as a pound coin spun off the pavement, almost catching it as it slipped from my fingers into the drainage grill."

If you threw yourself down that quickly whilst wearing a full backpack, the pain in arms, legs and back would make you forget about a pound coin.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 13/08/2025 10:16

Hi all, this hedgehog has been wandering off the path, apols for my absence! Fudge bars for all of you 🦔

This Cornwall Live FB post, or rather the comments under it, drew me back to the fold... I just can't believe people are still defending Raymoth citing "artistic licence", "ignore the negativity" and "the story uplifted us so it doesn't matter". How can they not see that it was only uplifting because we thought it was true? If it had fiction stamped across it, people would not have had the same interest in it in the first place. I bought my copy in a charity shop but wouldn't have if it hadn't had 'unflinchingly honest' on the cover.

FB
https://www.facebook.com/cornwalllivenews/posts/pfbid0wkTeT38DRmUH1URJMuCp3XGob3LbuDwskHo2JbuQiKRrvwRTy4Fc64YhsYuC1pNol

Original article (they have a few articles reverberating on The Observer findings. It's quite funny to see the shift in tone in headlines when you do a search on The Salt Path!)
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/celebs-tv/salt-path-author-reportedly-hiding-10414999

ETA: link amendment

The Salt Path author reportedly 'hiding out' on luxury Cornish estate

Raynor Winn and her husband Moth have been lying low following the scandal surrounding the bestseller

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/celebs-tv/salt-path-author-reportedly-hiding-10414999

AlertCat · 13/08/2025 10:17

Transcript of RW talking about the miraculous effects of long distance walking 👀

The only area she seems comfortable to talk about a bit more spontaneously and it’s probably the dodgiest of ground!

Thread 14: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Featherbeds · 13/08/2025 10:17

Rallentanda · 13/08/2025 09:19

"Was it hard to get published?" - I would realllllly like to know the truth of how she came to be published, actually. How much were PRH or her agent in on the manufacturing of this tale? etc

I have no issue believing in her finding an agent and a publishing deal quickly (strong hook, great story — a publisher would have seen the obvious marketability, plus it could probably be acquired cheaply from a debut author, so worth a punt).

I do tend to think, though, that it was the hook that sold it, not the writing, and that her agent would have worked extensively with her on re-edits before sending it out (SW says in that ‘Corrnesy’ interview that it was sent out ‘a couple of months’ after her agent signed her, and I imagine that time would have been spent on rewrites.) Then when it was bought, her editor would have done detailed work on it with her again, possibly several rounds.

I don’t imagine that either would have encouraged her to go beyond the ‘usual’ artistic licence of memoir, eg to conflate scenes, recreate dialogue, add detail etc in order to create a book that has shape, drama, a story arc etc. (Part of the issue with the TSP scandal is that readers in general are unaware of how usual this is.)

I was thinking recently of the US writer Mary McCarthy’s 1957 Memories of a Catholic Girlhood, a self-questioning early misery memoir (orphaned in the 1918 flu epidemic, brought up by abusive relatives), in which, in the preface, she says her book makes a claim to be ‘historical’ in that much of it can be checked, and that if there’s more fiction than she knows, she’d ‘like to be set right.’

At the same time, after each chapter, there’s a kind of examination of conscience where she says which bits are contested by family or ‘made up’.

But the statement that interested me in relation to TSP is when she said how much she’d learned when she didn’t change things to make the story more interesting or reshape it, that

If I’d hung onto my assumptions, believing my drama came from obstacles I’d never had to overcome, a portrait of myself as a scrappy survivor of unearned cruelties, I wouldn’t have learned what really happened. Which is what I mean when I say God is in the truth.

I think that’s quite astute on TSP. SW does rewrite a self-caused mess of embezzlement, cover-up, financial bad decisions etc to recast them both as ‘scrappy survivors of unearned cruelties’ rather than people who’d largely caused their own problems. And, arguably, rejigged the timeline /severity etc of Tim’s illness to bang home the ‘unearned cruelties’ angle.

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 10:33

@AzureStaffy it looks like she did lots of reading round the subject before doing the series of walks.

.... and it seems if some of the reading may have been useful fillers to the gaps they didn't do?

Re: **500 Mile Walkies.

I now think I understand the Winn Winns mistake at Falmouth harbour. You need 2 ferries to resume the coast path. They protest they are only foot passengers but, as I have described before, everyone is on foot at that particular ferry.

TSP: We walked away from the ferry and hung around the harbour trying to find a private boat going over to St Mawes, but there wasn’t one to be found,

What makes a lot more sense is 500MW when he is at the 2nd ferry point:

We reached St Mawes and I strolled around the waterfront trying to beg a lift over to Place.

AzureStaffy · 13/08/2025 10:34

@ThatFluentHedgehog

Some of those Facebook posts are hilarious. There are some proper good writers out there. Material ripe for a Fringe performance.

FlyAgaricc · 13/08/2025 10:36

ShrinkWrappedInSeattle · 13/08/2025 10:09

Even the intonation/emphasis is the same: e.g the way she says “a LIFElong friend”.

Exactly! And he tries to make it a conversation but she just monologues at him. Straight out of the narcissist's handbook

User14March · 13/08/2025 10:38

FlyAgaricc · 13/08/2025 10:36

Exactly! And he tries to make it a conversation but she just monologues at him. Straight out of the narcissist's handbook

Or a canoe schemers…

toooom · 13/08/2025 10:50

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 10:33

@AzureStaffy it looks like she did lots of reading round the subject before doing the series of walks.

.... and it seems if some of the reading may have been useful fillers to the gaps they didn't do?

Re: **500 Mile Walkies.

I now think I understand the Winn Winns mistake at Falmouth harbour. You need 2 ferries to resume the coast path. They protest they are only foot passengers but, as I have described before, everyone is on foot at that particular ferry.

TSP: We walked away from the ferry and hung around the harbour trying to find a private boat going over to St Mawes, but there wasn’t one to be found,

What makes a lot more sense is 500MW when he is at the 2nd ferry point:

We reached St Mawes and I strolled around the waterfront trying to beg a lift over to Place.

Aren’t they both foot ferries? And she mentions both in the text. Or perhaps she was presuming the ferry was the car one (which is actually further up)

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 10:55

toooom · 13/08/2025 10:50

Aren’t they both foot ferries? And she mentions both in the text. Or perhaps she was presuming the ferry was the car one (which is actually further up)

Yes they are both foot ones. And, yes the car ferry is further up the river.

It was incongruous to be looking for a free lift over on the 1st ferry but we know she was inspired by Mark Wallington's book and I am finding a number of striking similarities - albeit slightly different!

His is just a big joke all along - but I do not see the jarring inaccuracies that I do with TSP.

AzureStaffy · 13/08/2025 10:57

Before the real story was revealed, I got stuck at the word 'brave' in reviews when describing the decision to walk rather than go into emergency homeless accommodation. It's brave to take a sick man on a hazardous, gruelling walk for months? He didn't even have his Pregabalin. Imagine being seriously ill and not being able to wash in hot water or be able to use a proper toilet. When I had cancer, I wouldn't go to Sainsbury's without my Oramorph. That kind of obsessive behaviour is quite common in life-threatening illness. Some sufferers keep a bag packed in case they have to suddenly go into hospital.

AldoGordo · 13/08/2025 10:59

ThatFluentHedgehog · 13/08/2025 10:16

Hi all, this hedgehog has been wandering off the path, apols for my absence! Fudge bars for all of you 🦔

This Cornwall Live FB post, or rather the comments under it, drew me back to the fold... I just can't believe people are still defending Raymoth citing "artistic licence", "ignore the negativity" and "the story uplifted us so it doesn't matter". How can they not see that it was only uplifting because we thought it was true? If it had fiction stamped across it, people would not have had the same interest in it in the first place. I bought my copy in a charity shop but wouldn't have if it hadn't had 'unflinchingly honest' on the cover.

FB
https://www.facebook.com/cornwalllivenews/posts/pfbid0wkTeT38DRmUH1URJMuCp3XGob3LbuDwskHo2JbuQiKRrvwRTy4Fc64YhsYuC1pNol

Original article (they have a few articles reverberating on The Observer findings. It's quite funny to see the shift in tone in headlines when you do a search on The Salt Path!)
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/celebs-tv/salt-path-author-reportedly-hiding-10414999

ETA: link amendment

Edited

And these people get to vote. The post-truth era.

Lostinnewyork · 13/08/2025 11:01

I think that’s quite astute on TSP. SW does rewrite a self-caused mess of embezzlement, cover-up, financial bad decisions etc to recast them both as ‘scrappy survivors of unearned cruelties’ rather than people who’d largely caused their own problems. And, arguably, rejigged the timeline /severity etc of Tim’s illness to bang home the ‘unearned cruelties’ angle.
Brilliant Featherbeds - perfectly put!

User14March · 13/08/2025 11:02

FlyAgaricc · 13/08/2025 10:36

Exactly! And he tries to make it a conversation but she just monologues at him. Straight out of the narcissist's handbook

This Aussie interview so interesting. I am not sure he finds her credible. ‘Tramps’ episode interviewer asks if person would recognise self in film. She says no. All that recoiling, dogs drawn in tighter on retractable leads…

A terse ‘ANYWAY’ when he tries to get to ‘real name’ she does EXACTLY the same thing re: Jason Issacs when he brings up ‘dispute with lifetime friend’.

Re: PSPA & PSP Jason Isaacs extensively spoke to charities about Moth’s movement. Moth dragged leg for whole journey? Ray is keen to say Jason Issacs attempted to copy generic sufferers NOT Moth. Did charities begin to question then?

MarmiteWine · 13/08/2025 11:09

Aussiebornandbred · 13/08/2025 02:01

https://omny.fm/shows/conversations-with-cornesy/conversations-with-cornesy-raynor-winn
Came across this podcast.It is from very late May 2025.
Raynor is INCREDIBLY unwilling to discuss the bad business deal that cost them their house despite the host’s persistence. Ditto the quite innocent question of what was the origin of Moth’s name. Could it be that the Observer journalist had been in touch with them about the article she was working on?
It starts just after 4 minutes in

Listening to this, it's interesting that when she talks about the bank incident, she does this by referring to the film - fair enough, she's promoting the film - but then says something like "...you see the couple...". Given that she's said elsewhere how very realistic GA and JI's portrayals are, it's a little odd to me that there's a noticeable detachment there.

I also found it interesting that when the presenter asked at the beginning about losing the house, "tell us what led up to this...", she goes back 30 years to the first meeting. It screams someone who's learned a script and can't deviate because they haven't got anything to answer the question actually asked. If these were job interviews she'd have no chance!

Debsthegardener · 13/08/2025 11:09

MargaretThursday · 13/08/2025 09:06

You could do O-levels at secondary moderns, my df did, but you had to do CSEs too. So df did something like 12 CSEs and 9 O-levels.
The default was CSEs, O-levels were only taken if you were right at the top.

He also did his A-levels there, the first student to do that. He took his A-level maths at the same time as his teacher and got better grades by 2.

But he should never have failed the 11+. It was family circumstances really, and he was given the opportunity to move to the grammar, but refused as he didn't think it was for people like him.

Yes I guess I was just relating it to my own experience - someone at the local sec modern got 9 grade 1 CSEs so clearly should have passed her 12 plus - the exam itself was a bit pointless as they unofficially decided a year before who was going to grammar and who wasn’t (secret squirrel info).

my father failed his 11 plus but got a scholarship to Imperial to study chemistry and was a bit of a genius. Stupid system really. I say that as someone who did have the benefit of going to a state Grammar.

Debsthegardener · 13/08/2025 11:21

I love an Aussie interview. The 60 minutes interview where journalist Tara Brown takes down scammer Belle Gibson is absolutely brilliant. Still available on You Tube and well worth a watch.

Apparently, Belle was so deluded that she thought the interview went okay, unaware that her admissions/non-admissions would be her imminent downfall.

AldoGordo · 13/08/2025 11:24

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 10:33

@AzureStaffy it looks like she did lots of reading round the subject before doing the series of walks.

.... and it seems if some of the reading may have been useful fillers to the gaps they didn't do?

Re: **500 Mile Walkies.

I now think I understand the Winn Winns mistake at Falmouth harbour. You need 2 ferries to resume the coast path. They protest they are only foot passengers but, as I have described before, everyone is on foot at that particular ferry.

TSP: We walked away from the ferry and hung around the harbour trying to find a private boat going over to St Mawes, but there wasn’t one to be found,

What makes a lot more sense is 500MW when he is at the 2nd ferry point:

We reached St Mawes and I strolled around the waterfront trying to beg a lift over to Place.

Would you mind looking up what he says about Gillan creek?

UpfromSomerset · 13/08/2025 11:25

indignantfrother · 13/08/2025 09:25

Actually, when you think about, Salray is really VERY good at interviews - on her terms. No deviation, tells the story she wants to tell, and somehow has most interviewers accept this without probing deeply.

I think there should be some sort of journalistic award for someone to gets her to go off piste. The Path of Salt prize maybe! C'mon, I'm sure other people here can think of better names for this prize! The flickering moth prize? Salty sal? Truth or dare?

Edited

From what we know now I can think up 100s, but uppermost for me would be "Why did your friend drop you off in Taunton when your starting point was the sea front at Minehead? Then - depending on the answer - "Why did you alight from the bus in the town, when the the bus continues to Minehead sea front (and on to Butlins, so GET OFF AT THE RAILWAY STATION!). "Why were you unsure of the SWCP starting point! (It's ON THE COAST! - not in the town, when you asked the question) "You had Paddy Dillon's guide, why not look it up?
And finally, "Why didn't you start the walk at Poole, which you state would have been easier going, especially for Moth. Surely you could have read the OS maps backwards!" (They tried to purchase a guide which ran consecutively from Poole to Minehead but without success). But I have a smaller guide, admittedly, which covers Bude to Minehead in that order!

Catwith69lives · 13/08/2025 11:26

Anybody have any idea what an "Ad Hoc Neurology Unit" is? The June 2015 letter was addressed to somebody at an NHS Ad Hoc Neurology Unit. Would that preclude it being at The Walton Centre in Liverpool?

TheBrandyPath · 13/08/2025 11:31

AldoGordo · 13/08/2025 11:24

Would you mind looking up what he says about Gillan creek?

Yes, I remember - it is a ridiculously long bit! He arrives when the tide is high and hikes inland to Manaccan. Of course, this is in the mid-80s and I'm not sure exactly when he is in Gillan - but he starts at Minehead in May. So the ferry may not be operational.

I have often been there when hikers arrive - it is quite funny as many time it to be able to walk across but hope they can do it with their boots on. They then have the precarious task of taking them off mid-stream!

Featherbeds · 13/08/2025 11:33

toooom · 13/08/2025 10:50

Aren’t they both foot ferries? And she mentions both in the text. Or perhaps she was presuming the ferry was the car one (which is actually further up)

It’s aeons since I was in Falmouth, but my vague memories of walking around there and using ferries is that I got a ferry from Falmouth to St Mawes (my godson took this daily as he lived in Falmouth and went to school in St Mawes) walked a little bit, and then got another tiny ferry a very short way across another inlet — does that make sense? Looking at a map, I think my second ferry was across the Percuil River to Place?

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