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Labour reviewing school admission criteria

711 replies

JustAlice · 09/08/2025 10:16

"Sir Keir Starmer plans to update the Equality Act to give public authorities a new duty to consider a person’s “socio-economic background”.
The changes could mean that schools are forced to give pupils from a working-class background priority when applying for school places, according to Conservative research, instead of judging applications based on how far away from a school someone lives."

Last year BBC had articles on how Brighton and Hove Labour council implemented similar policy, and now substancial % of school places goes to children on FSM instead of childre living closer to the school, making average % of FSM in them closer to the council average.
Protests didn't lead to anything.

If Starmer is going to rollout this model for the whole country, I'm torn, because though I'm against class division and think that current model encourages it

  1. I strongly disagree that the families on less than minimal wage income are the only working people in the country. Maybe call them deprived to be honest.
  2. In Brighton, faith schools are still not impacted.

YABU - we should be happy about this
YANBU - not a good idea

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Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:11

ExtraOnions · 09/08/2025 11:17

…just about sums up all that’s wrong with the country … this thread is just a chorus of “me me me me”. Not interest in how we improve society as a whole, how we make things better for everyone. It’s goes back to Thatcher as her “no such thing as society”

Thank goodness we weren’t like this when the welfare state was formed…

This suggested policy isn’t about improving schools or society as a whole though. This is about moving pupils around so there’s a different mix across better performing and worse performing schools. It’s not about improving the poorer schools. It’s about prioritising some pupils for entrance into the better schools. It won’t help the worse schools.

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:14

Soontobe60 · 09/08/2025 14:55

You’re not wrong. The biggest way that children achieve in educational terms is linked to parental engagement.

  • A 2024 report from the Education Policy Institute compared white British pupils’ attainment against other ethnic groups across education, from early years foundation stage to 16-19 education. They found that by the end of secondary school, most ethnic groups achieved higher GCSE grades than white British pupils in 2023. All ethnic groups (except white and black Caribbean, and white Irish pupils) had bigger improvements in attainment between 2019 to 2023 compared to white British pupils. Chinese pupils’ attainment is 27 months ahead of white British pupils, 8 months ahead of Indian pupils (the next highest attaining group), and almost 5 years ahead of Gypsy Roma pupils (the lowest attaining group). Overall, the attainment of different ethnicities has converged slightly since 2019*
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/a-to-c-in-english-and-maths-gcse-attainment-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/ White working class boys are the lowest attainers in the UK.

Interesting how they’re allowed to publish statistics on ethnicity for education purposes. But not on ethnicity for crime purposes (another thread running on this somewhere on MN).

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:15

Bushmillsbabe · 09/08/2025 15:08

Schools that are rated as 'requires improvement' do get extra funding and support to improve. However, when they do improve that funding and support is then removed and it can become harder to maintain improvements with less money and they fall into a cycle.

Clearly
Additional funding should remain in place then

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:15

Fenellasbum · 09/08/2025 15:07

It's not making things better for everyone.

It's trying to lower everyone down to the lowest to make us all supposedly equal.

And it's not me me me. My kids are grown up. I don't need a fucking school place, thank God.

I’m surprised Labour has the backing at all. Education will be worse off.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:17

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:11

This suggested policy isn’t about improving schools or society as a whole though. This is about moving pupils around so there’s a different mix across better performing and worse performing schools. It’s not about improving the poorer schools. It’s about prioritising some pupils for entrance into the better schools. It won’t help the worse schools.

There shouldn’t be ‘bad’ performing schools though. This is the key issue.

DeafLeppard · 09/08/2025 15:18

Is there any evidence that Labour are actually considering this or have we all reacted to a right wing made up dog whistle?

Superhansrantowindsor · 09/08/2025 15:19

They’ll end up with people needing transport which council will have to pay for.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:20

DeafLeppard · 09/08/2025 15:18

Is there any evidence that Labour are actually considering this or have we all reacted to a right wing made up dog whistle?

No idea tbh.
It’s only in one ??? Paper

Maybe Labour have leaked it to the Telegraph to see how it would go down with Mumsnet

We are an authority on the subject ☺️

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:21

Did everyone / anyone see the drama recently where a young boy stabbed a girl to death. They were about 12 I think. Anyway that school, he attended in the drama, was exactly the same as the school I attended. And is exactly the same as many schools across the UK. Dreadful. Not sure what the answer is. Poor teachers.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/08/2025 15:21

ExtraOnions · 09/08/2025 10:48

..yea, because children should suffer because thier parents made bad choices, or had misfortune thrust upon them, or couldn’t access education or training opportunities.

We should absolutely be levelling things up, how are we ever going to equalise opportunity if we don’t ?

children should suffer because thier parents made bad choices

Of course not. Children should suffer because their parents made good choices. Typical Labour

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:22

Labour are lurking taking notes

oo
extra transport costs…didn’t think of that
pollution….didnt think if that
less tax payer hours….didnt think of that

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:17

There shouldn’t be ‘bad’ performing schools though. This is the key issue.

I absolutely agree and I’ve made that point in previous posts. If all state schools offered an excellent education there wouldn’t be a need for parents to move houses/tutor/use private education etc.

I haven’t seen a single idea from the Labour government that’s going to do anything to improve the poorer performing schools though. It’s all about knocking the better performing ones down. They are aiming for equality by dragging the better ones down, rather than dragging the worse ones up.

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:20

No idea tbh.
It’s only in one ??? Paper

Maybe Labour have leaked it to the Telegraph to see how it would go down with Mumsnet

We are an authority on the subject ☺️

People said the same re welfare cuts on here ‘media speculation’ / whistle nonsense etc, which turned out to be happening.

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 09/08/2025 15:23

It’s a good idea. The houses in the catchment for the outstanding schools in my area go for a million +.

I’m really happy with my kids (non-outstanding but actually very good, and more diverse) school, and we wouldn’t class as lower income anyway, so have no dog in this fight, but I’d like to see the kids of non-high earners also get a good education too. High earners have gotten away with gaming the system for far too long.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:23

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:21

Did everyone / anyone see the drama recently where a young boy stabbed a girl to death. They were about 12 I think. Anyway that school, he attended in the drama, was exactly the same as the school I attended. And is exactly the same as many schools across the UK. Dreadful. Not sure what the answer is. Poor teachers.

Or poor parenting

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:23

nearlylovemyusername · 09/08/2025 15:21

children should suffer because thier parents made bad choices

Of course not. Children should suffer because their parents made good choices. Typical Labour

Ah yes well said.

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:23

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:22

Labour are lurking taking notes

oo
extra transport costs…didn’t think of that
pollution….didnt think if that
less tax payer hours….didnt think of that

Oh they did. They just don’t gaf.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:24

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:22

People said the same re welfare cuts on here ‘media speculation’ / whistle nonsense etc, which turned out to be happening.

Interesting because I thought I was being sarcastic

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:25

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:24

Interesting because I thought I was being sarcastic

Edited

Oh I know, I think I agree with your take

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:25

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:23

Or poor parenting

I think the policeman said it best, when he said the school was more a herding pen than anything else.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:26

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:23

Oh they did. They just don’t gaf.

Agree they wouldn’t gaf
Don’t agree they’ve thought it through because they never do

DrPrunesqualer · 09/08/2025 15:26

Andrew19997 · 09/08/2025 15:25

I think the policeman said it best, when he said the school was more a herding pen than anything else.

My cousin said her kids school was like that
No idea why she seemed to think that was funny

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/08/2025 15:29

Some posters have, quite reasonably, been questioning whether this policy actually exists. It may well not do.

But whether it does or it doesn’t, it won’t happen. The left-wing middle class who proudly announce their opposition to fee paying schools but buy into a good comp’s catchment area would squeal, and this idea would disappear.

Another76543 · 09/08/2025 15:30

DeafLeppard · 09/08/2025 15:18

Is there any evidence that Labour are actually considering this or have we all reacted to a right wing made up dog whistle?

I think the possibility has been questioned because of this part of their manifesto

Respect and equality for all
Everyone in this country deserves a government that matches their ambition. Labour will ensure no matter whatever your background, you can thrive, and therefore we will enact the socio-economic duty in the Equality Act 2010.”

It’s under the section “break down barriers to opportunity” which is largely about education.

EasternStandard · 09/08/2025 15:31

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/08/2025 15:29

Some posters have, quite reasonably, been questioning whether this policy actually exists. It may well not do.

But whether it does or it doesn’t, it won’t happen. The left-wing middle class who proudly announce their opposition to fee paying schools but buy into a good comp’s catchment area would squeal, and this idea would disappear.

They’ll have to be pretty loud as Labour have a tendency to barrel through regardless.