To think that the "concern" coming from trans rights activists towards butch women is false?

[ArcheryAnnie]

Ever since the Supreme Court ruling clarifying the law around same-sex spaces such as loos, there's been a rash of claims by trans rights activists that butch (or otherwise gender nonconforming) women are now getting harassed in women's loos for not looking appropriately feminine. This claim was repeated last night on Radio 4's "In Touch" programme.

Except I don't believe it for a second. No TRA or ally ever gave a single shiny shit about butch women until the Supreme Court judgement, and I simply don't believe there's been an uptick of challenges to actual women using women's loos - and if there were, they wouldn't be to butch women, since there's generally very few points of similarity in the appearance of butch women with men who are attempting to present in a feminised way.

AIBU to be extremely sceptical of these claims, and to believe it's a very late-stage, piss-poor attempt to convince women that having single-sex spaces will be bad for them?

IMO, if you are a woman who prefers the “butch” look, you have most likely experienced second glances and even questions in intimate female spaces. I would think you might expect those experiences due to your outward appearance.

I have known several “butch” lesbians and I’ve always been able to tell they are clearly women. In college, I cut my hair super short and was misgendered by my professor. I got over it and I certainly didn’t make a fuss.

And I would like to think if I ever was challenged or questioned in a women’s toilet that I would take it in stride, suck it up, and handle the situation with grace and aplomb. My rational self would understand that things happen and it is for the greater good of women’s privacy and safety.

You are right, mostly, except just be careful of referring to "butch" as a choice. I am bald and boobless and bloated and very restricted in show and clothing choices because of cancer treatment

Good point, thanks for letting me know so I am better aware.

YANBU. It’s so transparent.

This is so true. The pretend concern is laughable. Come on lads, stop trying to squeeze out crocodile tears. We all recognise this as a male supremacist movement and you don’t give a damn about women.

Exactly @LeftieRightsHoarder