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Flag in Graduation ceremony - what would you think?

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whiteroseredrose · 04/08/2025 14:26

My DD graduated on Saturday. The ceremony is in two parts, first they 'graduate' in groups of the same subject and go outside. They then come back in in larger groups wearing their new hoods attached to the robes. All very pretty with lots of proud parents taking photos.

DD came back in with her friends, lots of clapping and cheers and I took my photos.

In the cohort immediately behind her one graduate came in carrying a full sized Palestinian flag which covered her from head to toe. So the attention switched from the 30 or so new graduates all in black and white to this huge multicoloured flag. There were some cheers and some boos.

Here's my AIBU. I think it was highly inappropriate to steal the moment from all of your classmates. It is everyone's moment of glory and shouldn't be about just one person and their beliefs. I don't think that the University staff should have let her in with it.

Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 20:58

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 20:57

They might have purchased it from a charity that does feed people there (or attempts to, but Israel is blocking all aid).

What about Egypt's blockade? You know the one that keeps their fellow countrymen out.

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 20:58

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 20:56

Free Palestine, at the cost to Jews. Nice.

Don't free Palestine, at the cost to all Palestinians who are trying to survive the genocide.

Quellycat · 04/08/2025 20:58

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 20:57

They might have purchased it from a charity that does feed people there (or attempts to, but Israel is blocking all aid).

Or maybe it was from Temu.

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:00

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 20:56

👏 👏 neither does Hamas, who are too busy stealing the aid for themselves.

There is absolutely no proof of that. You know what has been proven? When Israel agree to cease bombings periodically to allow aid in, people get aid.

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:01

Samiloff · 04/08/2025 20:58

I notice you didn’t include "Free the hostages"… Remember them, the ones abducted from the music festival where many of their friends were raped and murdered?

Your compassion doesn't seem to extend to them.

Edited

Absolutely- without a doubt free the hostages. Free the Palestinian hostages too. I think there are about 10,000 in Israeli prisons, held without charge.

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:02

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:00

There is absolutely no proof of that. You know what has been proven? When Israel agree to cease bombings periodically to allow aid in, people get aid.

Yes because cute cuddly little Hamas would never do something like that. Honestly.

Samiloff · 04/08/2025 21:02

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:01

Absolutely- without a doubt free the hostages. Free the Palestinian hostages too. I think there are about 10,000 in Israeli prisons, held without charge.

Sure. Just the same. (Not.)

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:03

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:01

Absolutely- without a doubt free the hostages. Free the Palestinian hostages too. I think there are about 10,000 in Israeli prisons, held without charge.

Well, for the poor hostage, who was seen digging his own grave, it will all be too late.

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:03

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 20:58

What about Egypt's blockade? You know the one that keeps their fellow countrymen out.

I agree. Egypt's blockade / barrier to aid under Sisi is sickening.

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:03

Samiloff · 04/08/2025 20:58

I notice you didn’t include "Free the hostages"… Remember them, the ones abducted from the music festival where many of their friends were raped and murdered?

Your compassion doesn't seem to extend to them.

Edited

You think Hamas are going to listen to calls to free the hostages? You think they are going to just give them up with an “oops sorry”? You think the Palestinians wouldn’t frogmarch the hostages right out of wherever they are if it meant they weren’t going to starve?

Forgive me, but I thought we could hold what claims to be a civilised Country to a higher standard than that of a terrorist organisation. Anyone using “but the hostages” to defend the starvation of a nation, can’t lecture anyone on compassion.

FrodoBiggins · 04/08/2025 21:05

ProvoPrincess · 04/08/2025 14:54

Cousin’s graduation ruined by this at Exeter as in actual graduation not just photos outside. I don’t think this would be allowed in The US.

In what sense was a graduation "ruined" by looking at a flag

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:06

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 20:58

Don't free Palestine, at the cost to all Palestinians who are trying to survive the genocide.

What genocide?

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:06

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:03

Well, for the poor hostage, who was seen digging his own grave, it will all be too late.

The poor medics, targeted by the IDF and buried aling with their vehicle, to attempt to hide yet another war crime. Luckily, one of the medics filmed it and the lie was exposed. Israel admitted the 'mistake'.

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:07

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:06

What genocide?

The one you constantly deny. But that's OK. Eminent Israeli scholars have agreed that it is a genocide.

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:08

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 04/08/2025 21:06

The poor medics, targeted by the IDF and buried aling with their vehicle, to attempt to hide yet another war crime. Luckily, one of the medics filmed it and the lie was exposed. Israel admitted the 'mistake'.

Fairies at the bottom of the garden.

Samiloff · 04/08/2025 21:09

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:03

You think Hamas are going to listen to calls to free the hostages? You think they are going to just give them up with an “oops sorry”? You think the Palestinians wouldn’t frogmarch the hostages right out of wherever they are if it meant they weren’t going to starve?

Forgive me, but I thought we could hold what claims to be a civilised Country to a higher standard than that of a terrorist organisation. Anyone using “but the hostages” to defend the starvation of a nation, can’t lecture anyone on compassion.

I could just as easily say "You think the Israeli government is going to be swayed by a student protesting in Exeter?"

Where did I use the plight of the hostages to defend starvation?

I simply observed that among the outcomes wished for by @ThereIsThunderInOurHearts , the release of the abducted hostages was notable by its absence.

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:10

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:02

Yes because cute cuddly little Hamas would never do something like that. Honestly.

I didn’t say they would never do that. I asked for proof they are doing it right now. Even Israeli officials have confirmed there is no proof this is happening.

But, even if it were, even if the people who are looting trucks, and causing so much trouble the Israeli Aid organisations (at the 4 places they distribute aid, rather than the 400 the UN had) have to “set off warning shots” (which somehow are killing people queued for aid) are Hamas (again there is no proof of that) you know what would stop it? Letting in more aid, feeding the people who are starving and so desperate for food for their families, they will fight to get it.

People doing mental gymnastics to defend starving a nation. Honestly.

TurquoiseDress · 04/08/2025 21:10

YANBU

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:12

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:10

I didn’t say they would never do that. I asked for proof they are doing it right now. Even Israeli officials have confirmed there is no proof this is happening.

But, even if it were, even if the people who are looting trucks, and causing so much trouble the Israeli Aid organisations (at the 4 places they distribute aid, rather than the 400 the UN had) have to “set off warning shots” (which somehow are killing people queued for aid) are Hamas (again there is no proof of that) you know what would stop it? Letting in more aid, feeding the people who are starving and so desperate for food for their families, they will fight to get it.

People doing mental gymnastics to defend starving a nation. Honestly.

I really cba to unwrap all of that on an AIBU board. Maybe I will see you in CITME.

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:13

Samiloff · 04/08/2025 21:09

I could just as easily say "You think the Israeli government is going to be swayed by a student protesting in Exeter?"

Where did I use the plight of the hostages to defend starvation?

I simply observed that among the outcomes wished for by @ThereIsThunderInOurHearts , the release of the abducted hostages was notable by its absence.

Edited

Sure “all lives matter” whatever.

Right now, there are 2.1 million people facing starvation. Play politics if you like, but 2.1 million people starving is top of my list for attention.

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:14

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:12

I really cba to unwrap all of that on an AIBU board. Maybe I will see you in CITME.

I have no idea what any of that means, but sure, refuse to reply if that helps your cause.

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:15

EBoo80 · 04/08/2025 16:36

I’ve been staff at graduations that are disrupted. I felt proud of the students exercising their freedom of expression. I don’t see how wearing or holding a flag detracts from your child’s experience - and wonder how they felt about it?
also, genuinely, congratulations on their graduation. I hope you had a lovely day despite the ceremony not being what you wanted.

You've 'been staff' at graduations? Are you proud of all freedom of speech? In fact, let's be honest, there's a certain community, who wouldn't be able to exercise their freedom of speech, without being threatened and bullied - by cowards.

Dangermoo · 04/08/2025 21:16

BoredZelda · 04/08/2025 21:14

I have no idea what any of that means, but sure, refuse to reply if that helps your cause.

No, I'm acknowledging that this isn't the CITME board.

Whammyyammy · 04/08/2025 21:17

Flag wearer/waver was a selfish prick. Not the time or place.

JSMill · 04/08/2025 21:18

UsernameMcUsername · 04/08/2025 14:37

It would be a nope from me. A diverse society like ours needs to preserve politically and ideologically neutral spaces, or life will become very exhausting very quickly. There are many other ways to support particular causes without tokenistic flag waving.

Well said. I am very concerned about what’s happening in Gaza but Graduation Day is for everyone and I wouldn’t want anyone to feel uncomfortable or even excluded.

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