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Labour should increase inheritance tax to 50 per cent

309 replies

Tummyachey · 01/08/2025 17:19

If they did this it would raise billions of pounds - while avoiding raising taxes on working people. Exemptions should be put in place to protect small businesses; I accept this would be complicated, but they need to try and make it work.
So much money could be raised and it would also encourage earlier wealth transfers which would stimulate the economy. In addition, it would help redistribute wealth thus reducing inequality.
There would be political backlash, of course, but they need to get the economy growing and should act now so that the results are visible in time for the next general election.

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Tummyachey · 01/08/2025 21:52

Pictishblue · 01/08/2025 21:44

This basically boils down to “don’t give money/help to immigrants.” Is that the only revenue raising idea Reform has got?

You have this the wrong way round.

Reducing spending is the opposite of revenue raising.

You need to raise less if you spend less.

We already spend far more than we raise and we're increasing debt to pay interest on debt so it's all very shaky.

30 years of rapid population expansion has been a disaster.

Edited

I understand that but the question I asked was “how would Reform raise revenue?” And the only answer I got was to reduce spending on immigrants - this would not raise enough money to do everything Reform is promising.

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Luckyingame · 01/08/2025 21:53

That is a good joke.
Thanks! 🤣

Pictishblue · 01/08/2025 21:53

Ask Rachel.

Tummyachey · 01/08/2025 21:57

Steph7181 · 01/08/2025 21:32

It is simplistic to suggest that increasing any tax will increase revenue collected.

Once a tax rate becomes too onerous people take steps to avoid it. The government has estimated the amount they’ll get from adding pensions to IHT without understanding how people will react.

From April 2027 people will be looking to pass over much more, much earlier to their DC. They won’t sit on a huge pension fund and just all 40% IHT + recipient income tax to erode 2/3rds of it.

The sad part of IHT and one that is going to get worse is that it is a tax on sudden death. Live to old age and it’s easy to pass everything to DC as your needs get less as you age. Die young without a spouse and your DC lose fortunes that you planned to give them later in life.

At least if people pass on much more, much earlier to their DC that will generate more spending which will stimulate the economy.

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Adelle79360 · 01/08/2025 22:04

Pictishblue · 01/08/2025 19:47

What like an apple?

My savings aren't a tree for anyone to eat the fecking fruit off.

Nearly spat my wine out reading this. What an analogy, I love it, and wholeheartedly agree.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2025 22:40

Pictishblue · 01/08/2025 21:36

It's okay OP.

Rachel Reeves fixed the foundations.
She found a 20 billion black hole and raised taxes one time only to fix the mess Labour inherited.
Those with the broadest shoulders.
Fixed the foundations.
It all fine.

Ha yep

caringcarer · 01/08/2025 22:44

Tummyachey · 01/08/2025 21:23

This basically boils down to “don’t give money/help to immigrants.” Is that the only revenue raising idea Reform has got?

It costs between lions every year to accommodate these immigrants into 4* hotels. Once we stop paying this money out we can work out how much tax is needed to run the country.

Rainydayinlondon · 02/08/2025 00:21

NotTerfNorCis · 01/08/2025 20:55

What is the case for adult children who inherit from parents? Don't the children have to pay tax on inheritance over £350k?

Are there any government or other legal links explaining this?

Husband dies and leaves everything to wife. No IHT because of spousal exemption
Wife dies and leaves everything to kids including property. Assuming no lifetime gifts, she has:
Her own £325,000 Nil rate band and own Res NRB of £175,000 = £500,000
Her husband's unused NRB and RNRB = £500,000
IHT only payable on the excess over £1m

FrenchandSaunders · 02/08/2025 07:54

HerewardtheSleepy · 01/08/2025 20:12

My DF was a retired postman who lived on a State pension and a GPO pension.
He owned a 2 bed flat in South London and when he died, his estate came under the IHT limit by FIVE POUNDS!

YABU. This would affect most home owners in London while the very rich who you somehow think would be caught, would have taken the necessary steps to avoid IHT entirely.

It's an idiotic idea.

So you inherited a very substantial sum. Anything over £1 million would have been taxed at 40% … not the whole lot. You do realise that?

Wishingplenty · 02/08/2025 08:03

People that actually want this are just bitter and nasty that their parents have nothing to pass on to them, because if they had they would know just how unreasonable this would be.

I would also say those same bitter and nasty people have no concept of what it actually takes to have a little something to pass on their children, and have a very entitled mindset, those assets have already been taxed.

Your benefit money is still safe, go claim it from somewhere else not from hardworking people, with modest assets that have already been taxed through the nose on.

Nagginthenag · 02/08/2025 08:09

A 10% IHT across the board then a tapering increase for larger estates seems sensible. It's unearned money for the individuals receiving it, and a great deal of inheritance is down to the huge property value increases that most on here have such issues with.

Nagginthenag · 02/08/2025 08:11

And no, I'm not bitter and nasty 🙄, don't claim benefits, work hard, have savings and a in line for inheritance at some point.

Sunflowersurprise · 02/08/2025 08:16

Rainydayinlondon · 02/08/2025 00:21

Husband dies and leaves everything to wife. No IHT because of spousal exemption
Wife dies and leaves everything to kids including property. Assuming no lifetime gifts, she has:
Her own £325,000 Nil rate band and own Res NRB of £175,000 = £500,000
Her husband's unused NRB and RNRB = £500,000
IHT only payable on the excess over £1m

The flaw with this is that it assumes the property is still owned by the person at death. To reduce IHT you have to keep the property even if the elderly person moves into a home. This just increases the number of homes left empty.

TartanBarmy · 02/08/2025 08:18

IShouldNotCoco · 01/08/2025 18:34

I will be the only beneficiary of my parent’s estate and I agree that they should do this.

The amount you receive tax free is quite a lot.

Greed is a very unpleasant trait.

You can voluntarily opt to pay more when the time comes, so do feel free to do that.

TheMeasure · 02/08/2025 08:19

”Redistribute wealth?” Why should I give my family’s wealth to you?
Amass your own.

MyLimeGuide · 02/08/2025 08:21

Are you allowed to just give your kids ownership of your house when your getting old? I have 1 son, already thinking about how I can gift him my house before I die so the greedy work shy cant get their hands on it! (Im only 45) but threads like this make you think about these things.

HonestOpalHelper · 02/08/2025 08:36

Nevertrustacop · 01/08/2025 17:36

I don't misunderstand it. I resent the fact that the estate of my brother, a postman with a tiny house in the south east is having to pay it. As his house alone is worth more than 325k. How can that be fair when me and DH with an estate worth about 1 million, won't pay anything?

Have you added the residential nil rate band and claimed for that, it gives you an extra £175K of relief on property.

AmateurNoun · 02/08/2025 09:02

MyLimeGuide · 02/08/2025 08:21

Are you allowed to just give your kids ownership of your house when your getting old? I have 1 son, already thinking about how I can gift him my house before I die so the greedy work shy cant get their hands on it! (Im only 45) but threads like this make you think about these things.

You can give it to your kids but if you're still living there as before it will still be included in the value of your estate and so subject to IHT.

AmateurNoun · 02/08/2025 09:03

HonestOpalHelper · 02/08/2025 08:36

Have you added the residential nil rate band and claimed for that, it gives you an extra £175K of relief on property.

He was childless and leaving it to nieces/nephews so RNRB is not available

Tummyachey · 02/08/2025 09:23

Wishingplenty · 02/08/2025 08:03

People that actually want this are just bitter and nasty that their parents have nothing to pass on to them, because if they had they would know just how unreasonable this would be.

I would also say those same bitter and nasty people have no concept of what it actually takes to have a little something to pass on their children, and have a very entitled mindset, those assets have already been taxed.

Your benefit money is still safe, go claim it from somewhere else not from hardworking people, with modest assets that have already been taxed through the nose on.

“A little something?” You get £1 million before it kicks in.
Also, a huge amount of inheritance is down to huge property value increases - not down to how “hardworking” your parents were at all.
The country is spending more than its raising so we have to find money somewhere. Better it came from IHT than from income tax on living, working people.

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HonestOpalHelper · 02/08/2025 09:31

MyLimeGuide · 02/08/2025 08:21

Are you allowed to just give your kids ownership of your house when your getting old? I have 1 son, already thinking about how I can gift him my house before I die so the greedy work shy cant get their hands on it! (Im only 45) but threads like this make you think about these things.

For several reasons this is a bad idea, if you continue to live in the house then it achieves nothing as it is classed as a "gift with reservation of benefit" and counted for IHT.

The only way round this would be that you pay full market rent and survive for 7 years.

There is also the issue of deprivation of assets, if you end up needing care the council could class it as deliberate deprivation and either refuse to pay towards care or take legal action to reverse the gift.

Another issue is that if your DC went bankrupt / got divorced etc you could end up loosing the home, as you would have no rights to it.

So generally it would be strongly advised against by solicitors as it offers very little protection against tax and care costs but has the potential to be ruinous to you.

GRex · 02/08/2025 09:35

Tummyachey · 02/08/2025 09:23

“A little something?” You get £1 million before it kicks in.
Also, a huge amount of inheritance is down to huge property value increases - not down to how “hardworking” your parents were at all.
The country is spending more than its raising so we have to find money somewhere. Better it came from IHT than from income tax on living, working people.

You're still missing the point. If you live in a cheap area and own a home, then your child is allowed to keep your entire home. If you live in a more expensive area then even at current property prices and IHT rules, then unless you have a lot of extra money the family home has to be sold. Where couples have broken up so there is only one parent present, remember this is happening at £500k NOT £1m.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 02/08/2025 09:37

IShouldNotCoco · 01/08/2025 18:34

I will be the only beneficiary of my parent’s estate and I agree that they should do this.

The amount you receive tax free is quite a lot.

Greed is a very unpleasant trait.

Would you feel the same if you had 2 or 3 siblings who’d inherit equal shares? Maybe not.
Perhaps a new law could raise it to 50% solely for only children.

stuffedpeppers · 02/08/2025 09:54

I earned it, I paid tax, ni, interest tax, cgt on it why does the Government come to get another bite of my hard earned cash.

I should be allowed to leave all of it to who I want.

freakyfriday23 · 02/08/2025 11:11

Yes that's right, take more money from people who probably worked hard their lives to save so the government can add it to the millions spent on putting people who snuck in into the country in hotels. Are you unlikely to inherit op? 😁

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