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To ask if you’re a doctor do you enjoy it?

71 replies

Ferryaway · 29/07/2025 22:00

Was it what you expected? Salary, hours etc. just with all the Doctors going on strike at the minute it absolutely baffles me that somebody trains for so long to be so unhappy with their work.

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Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 21:48

MissyB1 · 30/07/2025 12:21

Dh has been a consultant for over 20 years now, a Dr for 30 years. Hes not loving it anymore. He says It started to get harder and more miserable from the Cameron austerity years, and has rapidly gone down hill. Not helped by a string of disastrous CEOs at our Trust it has to be said. Hes still brilliant at what he does and is highly regarded in his field, but he's been beaten down by the lack of investment, poor quality management, and general low morale. Hes just trying to survive until retirement.

I totally agree with this, everything was pretty ok in the NHS from the inside until Cameron and austerity and it’s been an endless downhill slide from then on, exacerbated by the pandemic.

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 21:50

Justchilling07 · 30/07/2025 02:15

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter A taxi driver, is saying they earn more than a doctor, don’t believe that for 1 minute.
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it!

I would 100 percent believe it, though possibly not hour for hour!

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 21:56

AgeingDoc · 30/07/2025 10:55

Because “flattening the hierarchy” has become paramount, lots of people get to take a swipe at doctors and we can’t say anything back or risk being called arrogant and not a team player (and getting negative feedback). I’ve been expected to do everyone else’s job - be a porter, take bloods, order hearing aids, get patients food, copy and fax medical records - while being utterly swamped with my own duties. And having to take responsibility for the patient as the doctor. It is utterly exhausting and disheartening.
I don't think this is anything new actually. You could be describing my life as a junior doctor in the 80s. Anything that nobody else wanted to do fell to the most junior doctor. In fact in the days with no computers there was an awful lot more "secretarial" stuff to do. Some of it is just plain old fashioned misogyny rather than anything else though. Back in my early days it was always me who was expected to make the post ward round coffee for the Consultant, never any of my male colleagues. And in fact that never changed. Even in the last months of my career when I was one of the most senior clinicians in the Trust I arrived at a meeting that I was to Chair only to have one bloke ask me if I was here to take the minutes and another tell me that he'd like his coffee white with one sugar. I don't think that he was best pleased when I told him that his beverage choices were really none of my business but that he should perhaps ditch the sugar. But basically a lot of that crap followed me throughout my career and I blame the patriarchy more than any other kind of hierarchy.
I have to confess that I rolled my eyes a bit though at the idea of taking blood not being a doctor's job. I did that probably twenty times on my first day as a junior house officer and I was still doing it if not on my last day as a consultant, certainly in my last week. In fact I did it increasingly frequently in my last few years as a consultant because it seems that, particularly out of hours, there was a dearth of people in the hospital other than we anaesthetists who were capable of putting needles into veins. Doing repetitive, relatively easy tasks can indeed be boring and frustrating but it is not valueless. It brings you into direct contact with patients which is never a waste of time and it makes you very good at those tasks. Put a dozen easy cannulas in every day and you vastly increase your chances of being able to do the tricky ones. Listen to twenty normal hearts when you clerk your routine surgical admissions and that one undiagnosed aortic stenosis will leap out at you when you hear it. But we don't do that stuff anymore and I think it's showing. Not that I blame the young doctors for that, they are the victims of policy decisions made by my generation if anything. Some things are better, but in many respects the baby has been thrown out with the bath water. I wouldn't want to be starting out now, regardless of how much better the hours are and I'm really glad that none of my children has chosen to follow in my footsteps.

Yes I was thinking myself I wonder if this doctor is female! Male doctors don’t get asked to do the photocopying in quite the same way, nor do they get dismissed as stuck-up or arrogant if they say it’s not their job!

I do agree with you about bloods definitely falling squarely in the remit of a junior doctor though, and I also agree that it’s starting to show that many younger doctors just aren’t taking a lot of bloods etc anymore. I was admitted with acute cholecystitis not long ago and I am not that hard to cannulate or get blood from, and it was like pulling teeth watching a series of them try to do it! Even with an ultrasound machine. Think I ended up walking down to phlebotomy outpatients to get the bloods done in the end lol. And an anaesthetist eventually had to come and put in my cannula 🤣

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 21:57

indoorplantqueen · 30/07/2025 01:25

I’m not a doctor, but a psychologist with a doctorate. Our jobs are very different (obviously) but the medical doctors here are outstanding . Thank you . My job is easy compared to yours.

Lovely to be appreciated for a change! Thank you! And your job is definitely hard too.

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 22:01

tobee · 30/07/2025 02:24

I understand why people might not be able to say more but now I'm intrigued as to what these niche roles are? What counts as niche? Appreciate people might not be able to answer.

Like a superspecialty, so you might be one of the few consultants in the country in your field etc. eg a paediatric neurosurgeon who specialises in a certain type of paediatric neurosurgery or whatever. Or a maxillofacial surgeon specialising in cleft palate surgery etc. Or an immunologist specialising in mast cell disorders. As opposed to a GP or a general surgeon or a gastroenterologist etc.

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 22:03

MrsEverest · 30/07/2025 03:00

Yes. I’m an ICU Dr. It’s worth every second of training, every unpaid hour and all the money I poured into becoming expert.

It is incredibly rewarding, meaningful work.

I’m so impressed that you truly love your job as it looks very stressful from where I’m standing!

HermioneHerman · 30/07/2025 22:05

Mature medical student and mum nearing the end of my studies. Fairly terrified for the future, especially beyond F1/2, although I've enjoyed the degree and placements a lot.

I also worked for the NHS beforehand for many years so was prepared but it's still very alarming how much worse my working conditions will be (even practical stuff like having a computer, phone, desk and ergonomic chair plus ability to WFH) and what doctors are expected to bear without complaint.

I really hope some of the main naysayers from other recent medical threads read the many considered, thought-provoking and depressing posts here outlining just how very very difficult the life of a doctor is these days and why some of those at every stage of the ladder are a bit angry! I somehow doubt it though, when put up and shut up is the order of the day unfortunately.

Prestissimo · 30/07/2025 22:22

@Britneyfan yes, I know - I’ve done half days before and resigned to it being longer hours than I’m paid for. But what isn’t?! I’m hoping (ha!) that it’ll help clear the decks for the other days that I’m in so I might get to leave a bit earlier then. Honestly I’m not sure it’s the right thing but I’m going to see how it goes.

Absolutely right that pharmacy first, first-contact physios etc have changed our case mix. We’ve clawed a bit back by employing mainly doctors rather than lots of nurse practitioners etc and so I do occasionally get to see a nice, simple, on-the-day patient with a single, self-contained problem. It’s really joyous!!!

Dancingsquirrels · 30/07/2025 22:26

Great to hear people love their jobs

And sorry that some don't

Doing more for less / not having resources/ frustration at lack of support are not unique to medicine, sadly. I think we're seeing it everywhere

TankFlyBossW4lk · 30/07/2025 22:31

RosesAndHellebores · 29/07/2025 23:27

Perhaps it would be sensible to start referring to medics by role: physician/speciality and rank, surgeon/speciality and rank. Let's be clear, physicians are usually awarded the title of Dr on an honorary basis not because they submitted a PhD and passed their viva.

Personally, I think anyone with a PhD is more entitled to use the title Dr than a physician.

Back to the subject of the thread the issue seems to be the NHS. Perhaps it's time to abolish it and replace it with something better like in France, Austria, Germany, etc.

Don't be a bore, I've got both and getting the medical Dr bit was about x100 harder. Getting post graduate exams in medicine was again much harder. Being a Dr is a privilege not least because it's a life of learning. A career just doesn't compare with a 3 or 4 year PhD.

Britneyfan · 30/07/2025 22:48

Pinkgiraffe34567 · 30/07/2025 07:53

I have a couple of questions for the GPs on this thread;

My surgery is open 5 days a week but the individual GPs at my surgery are available for appointments 3 days per week typically and do appointments up to 6pm. On the days they do appointments they are always running behind because the appointments are only 10 minutes long and more time is often needed plus they need time between patients to do various things. It’s clear to me that this is a long and incredibly intense day and it probably ends quite late into the evening. I’m wondering if it would make it easier to allow more time for each patient (like 20 minutes rather than 10) and to spread these appointments out across the week so they are not being crammed into 3 days and the individual day is shorter and less stressful? Either that or would it better for the NHS to admit that an appointment takes longer than 10 minutes and pay you for the extended work day you are doing anyway? This would mean allowing patients to book in realistic appointment times up to 7-8pm rather than book in an appointment time but actually see the doctor 45 minutes after that because they are running behind?

Also I found out how much my surgery gets paid per patient, it’s exceptionally low, I work this out to be less than 2% of my income tax and NI contributions? Is this true, if it is I’m not sure where my tax goes as I would expect it to go on important services that I use like my local doctors surgery?

It would be amazing to have longer appointments as I agree they’re really needed in this day and age, a typical GP appointment has changed beyond all recognition in terms of complexity but we’re somehow still expected to do everything in ten minutes! Technically GP partners could choose to have any length of appointments they like. But they’re also expected to run a certain level of service which requires a certain number of appointments, hitting certain targets which is hard to do without enough appointments, and also not to have patients waiting too long for an appointment, which makes it hard in practice to hugely change this. At the end of the day it is a business run for profit on increasingly small margins, so balancing everything up it’s not as easy as just making this change to appointment time. Some surgeries are changing to 15 minute appointments as standard but it’s difficult for this reason. Even if we didn’t have to meet a certain service standard, people would be most unhappy if they have to wait 2 months to see someone etc. and they could come to harm in the meantime.

It would also be lovely if we could get paid for the actual hours we work (particularly if working as a salaried GP like myself, employed by the GP partners, rather than as a partner who is essentially running a small business rather than being paid by the hour etc) regardless of what exactly we are doing in that time. But there is not a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening! Nobody is ever going to pay us more for working the same amount or less (you need to understand that any overtime is entirely unpaid).

The NHS way is for every last drop of work to be squeezed out of you and ideally for free as part of “goodwill” which has been increasingly used up over the years… and if you ever point out that you end up staying after hours to finish things it becomes “oh well you’re obviously not efficient enough then, so you have a problem with time management?” etc. Hence impossible amounts of work being booked in regularly where there is just no way of realistically fitting it all in to allocated hours, particularly if you care about doing it well or say things like “no you can’t discuss your mental health today, you are here for a painful knee and that’s all we can discuss today”.

I will say that some GPs are much better at generally keeping to time than others (quite often in reality it’s because of cutting corners in my opinion, though I did once work with a fantastic GP colleague who was just a fast consulter and generally kept to time but was really good at his job, I think it helped that he was very tech-savvy and worked with dual screens etc) and some surgeries have management that are much more supportive than others. So there are some GPs out there that leave the building at 6.30 when we shut along with the receptionists. But I think I’m far from being alone in it often being as late as 8.30 or even 9.30 on a bad day before being able to leave, especially if you don’t want to have to log in on a day off to catch up then, or come in super early instead (which actually a lot of GPs who appear to be good at managing time do - it’s just nobody realises they come in 2 hours early!)

I also don’t think it would suit everyone to spread out the appointments to make things less intense, even if they would pay us for doing so. A lot of GPs are female and have young children and childcare responsibilities, the ability to work part time and have more flexibility with hours and avoid working antisocial hours in general is often a huge pull factor as to why junior doctors choose to specialise as GPs rather than other specialties. It is changing but back in my day (and I qualified as a GP in 2010 so not CRAZILY long ago), this was simply not realistic in most other specialties in the same way it is for GPs.

For me personally I’d very happily stay until 8.30-9pm if paid to do so if the day in general was not so intense now my son is an adult, but for example a lot of parents of young children will want to leave to put their kids to bed then log back on from home after to file blood results and go through hospital letters etc. I used to do things that way myself, particularly as a single parent when my son was younger. This wouldn’t be possible if we were due to see patients then (it wouldn’t suit the people who come in 2 hours early either).

I also wouldn’t want to be doing that 5 days a week to be honest especially at this age and stage of life. I’d also very happily work 5 days a week if the work was less intense actually, indeed I could very much do with the money, the main reason I work part-time is that I cannot cope with the stress and long hours from such an intense job 5 days a week. I have bipolar disorder and have to protect my mental health for my own sake but also patients.

And although not every GP has mental health issues, I would say that actually the 3 day week for GPs has become more of a thing mainly because of work stress and intensity and long hours, making the job basically undoable 5 days a week unless you are extremely psychologically robust and a fast consulter with excellent time management, and are happy to catch up at weekends if needed. It is a source of much frustration to me that as a profession we have basically accepted that 3 days a week these days is as much as the average person can reasonably do in the job without burning out quickly which helps nobody. And so we have essentially accepted a huge pay cut in that way as our salaries have not been adjusted to compensate for that. When GPs are asked why they work part time, often they may say it’s for childcare or whatever because people understand that in a way that they don’t really understand having to work 3 days a week to protect yourself from burnout and depression etc. Of course it really IS about childcare for some! But often like me, the reality is that I’d have happily worked full time from when my son was about age 5-8 or so, IF I could guarantee that I’d generally be able to leave on time and not come home in tears and end up burning out due to the intensity of the working day. Childcare/single parenting has been a convenient “excuse” for part time working that I can no longer hide behind now he is 18! Fortunately most other GPs fully understand.

And yes GP surgeries are paid an absolute pittance per patient to run the services they do, an average of £164 per patient per year all-in to cover all costs. Less than 10 percent of the NHS budget goes to primary care services, despite more and more issues being diverted from hospitals into the community as a matter of policy. I think most people would assume we get a lot more of the NHs budget than we do. Lobby your MP on our behalf!

Ireolu · 30/07/2025 22:59

We qualified in 2007
I'm a GP, DH consultant super specialised area of medicine. Do we enjoy the job, yes certain aspects. Most patients are appreciative, making a difference etc.

What we hate is the under resourced, under funded NHS that just doesn't work for the patients or the staff. So the same as most of the others that have posted. I actively encourage young people to consider other careers and DC who is young knows we wouldn't want them to go down that path.

AnnaMagnani · 30/07/2025 23:18

Another consultant with a niche job. So niche that I'm the only person in the UK doing it so not about to out myself.

I like my niche job but it was a hard bitter job getting there. I also locum which makes life bearable as whenever the employer starts grinding you down (tends to take about 18 months), I can leave and start again.

Back when I qualified locumming was just for those who weren't employable. Now you see whole trusts depending on them as quality consultants don't want to deal with the management crap by being permanent.

Would I recommend it as a career? No, absolutely not. There are plenty of jobs out there that don't come with a side order of PTSD.

And this message seems to be getting through, DH and I both went to highly selective private schools that churned out medical students. Now if you look at their university destinations there is barely one a year.

AgeingDoc · 31/07/2025 01:13

Back when I qualified locumming was just for those who weren't employable. Now you see whole trusts depending on them as quality consultants don't want to deal with the management crap by being permanent.
I can completely understand why people choose to be permanent locums on a personal level but as a group I do feel that they contribute significantly to the problem. Running a high quality service in a department which is heavily locum dependent is very difficult. In my experience even if the locums are excellent clinically they rarely contribute anything more to the department than doing their clinical work. Occasionally someone will want to do an audit or give a tutorial but that's primarily because they need to tick boxes for appraisal/revalidation not because they are genuinely interested in improving a department when they're just passing through it and have no long term commitment.
But someone has to be Clinical Director, College Tutor, Governance Lead, Rotamaster and so on - there's a lot more to a high quality department than the sum of the clinical skills of the individuals . Every locum who is not picking up the share of the non clinical workload that "belongs" to that post causes the substantive consultants to take on extra responsibilities and adds to their stress. That then has a detrimental effect on recruitment and retention, further accentuating problems. And that's before we even think about the massive financial burden that their locum bill imposes on many Trusts.
It's a choice that often makes sense for the individual, especially if they have particularly in demand skills but I think it's bad for the NHS in general. And looking back on my career, whilst I do of course have my fair share of memorable patients I think most of the things I'm proudest of, that I think benefited most people, were done in my leadership roles. New policies and processes I introduced, my contribution to the design of new buildings, doctors in crisis that I supported, new services that I was instrumental in introducing and old ones I helped save all go on helping patients long after I hung up my stethoscope. It took decades of commitment to one Trust and there was a heavy price to pay but I can at least look back and say "I did that". I think that being a high quality consultant goes a long way beyond clinical skills and despite the stress I'm really proud of what I achieved outside of my clinical work and I don't think I would have achieved as much as a locum.

Britneyfan · 31/07/2025 01:42

Prestissimo · 30/07/2025 22:22

@Britneyfan yes, I know - I’ve done half days before and resigned to it being longer hours than I’m paid for. But what isn’t?! I’m hoping (ha!) that it’ll help clear the decks for the other days that I’m in so I might get to leave a bit earlier then. Honestly I’m not sure it’s the right thing but I’m going to see how it goes.

Absolutely right that pharmacy first, first-contact physios etc have changed our case mix. We’ve clawed a bit back by employing mainly doctors rather than lots of nurse practitioners etc and so I do occasionally get to see a nice, simple, on-the-day patient with a single, self-contained problem. It’s really joyous!!!

I hope the half days do work like that for you!

It does sound like you’re at the sort of practice I would ideally like to be employed at with 15 minute appointments and mainly doctors employed there. At least the people in charge there are making a stab at a half decent working environment and also service for the patients.

I may need to look at moving practice again ultimately, but over the years I have often found it very much “out of the frying pan into the fire” unfortunately! And there are some good aspects about the place I work currently. Mainly that it’s close to home so no long commute, a very civilised start time of 09.30, no Saturdays required, I can usually get the annual leave weeks I want, especially around Christmas which is a big deal for me, and I do like all the staff I work with on a personal level. I wish we had less allied staff, particularly PAs, longer appointments, a more reasonable workload generally, and I also wish the lead partner wasn’t quite so micromanaging. But have definitely worked in worse places!

Pinksnowstars · 31/07/2025 03:00

Ral101 · 29/07/2025 23:00

I love my job - the patient facing bits at least. I’m an anaesthetist and I enjoy giving an anaesthetic and all the bits and pieces that come with it.

I hate that the under funded and understaffed system doesn’t let us do it properly.

I don’t think we’re paid enough for what we do. especially with the cost of exams etc.

I hope part of your love of your job, is loving your ODPs!! 🤣🩷

Twelftytwo · 31/07/2025 07:46

I agree with @ceaseanddesisttobailiffs
@Fulbe lots of people have phDs, it was obvious the OP was asking about medical doctors.

iloveeverykindofcat · 31/07/2025 08:15

Personally, I think anyone with a PhD is more entitled to use the title Dr than a physician.

🤣🤣🤣

It's okay, we don't mind.

Most PhDs stop calling ourselves doctor a week after our viva when we realize that in daily life it is both misleading and makes you sound like a bit of a knob.

holaquetal · 31/07/2025 08:31

Fulbe · 29/07/2025 22:19

I am a doctor, but a psychologist not a medic. I have 7 years of postgrad training, yet earn around half of what my medical colleagues receive. Makes me a bit sad really.
And yes I love my job, but it really is emotionally exhausting some days.

You have not undergone medical training. There are plenty of people with a PhD.

Platosrevenge · 31/07/2025 08:48

So the question is, what’s the answer to all the problems mentioned ?
Higher taxes ? Privatisation ?
Is management as bad as it’s portrayed and if so who’s best qualified to do it ? Is there too much management or too little ?
So often we get uninformed threads on here about the NHS, it would be interesting to here from experts who have real life everyday experience !

TankFlyBossW4lk · 31/07/2025 21:10

AnnaMagnani · 30/07/2025 23:18

Another consultant with a niche job. So niche that I'm the only person in the UK doing it so not about to out myself.

I like my niche job but it was a hard bitter job getting there. I also locum which makes life bearable as whenever the employer starts grinding you down (tends to take about 18 months), I can leave and start again.

Back when I qualified locumming was just for those who weren't employable. Now you see whole trusts depending on them as quality consultants don't want to deal with the management crap by being permanent.

Would I recommend it as a career? No, absolutely not. There are plenty of jobs out there that don't come with a side order of PTSD.

And this message seems to be getting through, DH and I both went to highly selective private schools that churned out medical students. Now if you look at their university destinations there is barely one a year.

Really agree with this, especially the "side order of PTSD".

I also agree with the school kids not going into medicine now. The mature and clever ones. Sadly, the type to make the best drs.

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