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Preparing for mums death she's 59 and drinks excessively - I can't go down with her

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amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 10:05

Morbid subject sorry and it's long!

How do I start preparing and protecting myself for my mothers death? I need to protect my own MH and sobriety.

It is a long story I'll try give the highlights. I am in therapy and finally starting to see her addiction was not my fault and how she has treated me I owe her very little. I have posted on here before so if it seems familiar it was me!

I was born. At 6 weeks she gave me to her parents and stayed living in a city 300 miles away. 1yr she took me back. 2.5yrs sent me back to grandparents. My dad left for good. Nice parents but also drank too much but still not too bad, although the raising of the younger sibling was left to the older ones. I have aunts who are very close in age to me so I grew up confused about who my parents/ siblings were. I'd be a part of thr family but not a full part. (Asked to step out of pics etc). I was bullied about no parents wanting me in school.

Mum would visit 2/3 times a year. I was always so happy to see her. But immediately counting down to when she would leave again as I was worried about it. She would say can't you just enjoy that I am here, it was expensive to come visit you, and look what I have brought you. I would visit her for a few weeks in summer. She lived with a man.

Moved to them age 12. She drank and got drunk every night. He drank too much too. She drank alone, he drank alone. I eat alone. Then was used as a go between. She started giving me alcohol aged 13. He criticised my looks, weight (you're not really going to eat all that are you), starting taking me to pubs when I was 15 and was sort of proud when men would try chat me up and say 'the could never afford me' or don't try drink with her you won't keep up, I used to be proud of that, now I'm ashamed. Or he would call me a little slut if I did have a boyfriend.

There was a lot of control, some S.A. ,emotion abuse, some physical, neglect. My mother also knew how to pull on my heart strings and still does. She would say, why did I let her drink so much. why did I let her eat so much, I need to help her start her diet so that she loses weight. I did used to try and stop her but it didn't work. It was my fault things were the way they were. If I had not been born her life would have been better, she would have had a real family etc. I didn't know it wasn't normal for your mum to be so drunk she sometimes pisses herself and fell asleep on a chair in the kitchen

I started going to night clubs aged 14ish and meeting older men. Which lead to further things I now know were abuse. E.g. sex with men in their 30s.

She is living alone now. I visit when I can but I live a few hours away and have 2 young children. She has serious health issues from alcohol. She had severe acute pancreatitis resulting in diabetes. She spent 3 weeks in ICU still drank after. Now is developing Parkinson disease .

She won't stop. But I worked so so hard for my sobriety. I have been working on it 6 years. Sober for most of it but some short slips. I was down with her a few days ago. I knew she had been drinking a lot. My aunt confirmed it. I could also smell it the second I walked into her house. Her hands were shaking violently. I got her a dr appointment that day. He gave her antibiotics and said she had a high temp. She didn't say anything about having been black out drunk 2 nights prior.

I feel such guilt and shame that I am not doing more. Over the years at different point I've run myself down trying to get her to see but she won't.

I started counselling last year and it has started to change my outlook but its still so hard not to see my mothers well being as my responsibility.

She is 59. I think she will be lucky to be here next year.

Am I very callous to even be thinking about what I need to do?

I am in therapy I have been since last November I would love to find a group of people who had a similar experience in life

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amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 12:13

@mindutopia that f*ck it button is a hard one sometimes!! I was putting my baby to bed last night hugging him and had a very small cry over the inevitability of what is coming. I thought that 'old' me would have absolutely pressed that button to somewhat drown the pain. New me knows that pain will still be there, plus now I'll be hung over!

I cuddled my little baby and thought he does not deserve that. So after I got him to sleep I put on my comfies and sat on the couch. I had 100 jobs to do in the house but left the lot. Again that is not something I would have allowed myself to do just a few months ago. I would have felt I needed to earn and deserve to rest

Well done on choosing to cut ties. It sounds like she did make her bed.

@medianewbie I am worried about what I will do with my own recovery/ sobriety when she does die. I think I will probably on the surface look like I am coping fine but be having an absolute inferno inside that I don't know how to deal with, so it is easier to just keep it in! I do not want to ever go back to alcohol. So I think by thinking about it now, and what I will do I will be able to do the 'right' things when it comes

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pikkumyy77 · 29/07/2025 12:26

amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 12:06

Thank you all for replying to me. I am just reading through it all.

I have already started to cut ties. She used to phone me every day but I have it down to about 3 times a week now.

I have tried for years to help her to be in a more secure place, as she is currently renting and when she stops working she will not be able to afford the rent.

When I am in my home I can just sort of pretend she is fine down there. I can always tell when she has been drinking but I say that she is an adult who can make her own choices. But to see her so visibly sick from alcohol, unable to walk to the car was a bit upsetting. She wasn't at all drunk, and hadn't been drinking, this was the after affects. Her legs are so weak. She thinks everyone believes it is the other illnesses. But we all know it is alcohol.

If I am honest, I feel a bit validated that my family now see that I didn't lie all those years ago when I begged to move home after I was sent to live with her and that man. I know I was not their responsibility but they all thought I was being 'dramatic as usual'. I did used to throw tantrums when my mum would leave after her visits, they have video evidence which used to get trotted out every so often

@GovernorClose I'm sorry to hear that. From the outside my family wouldn't have looked fully normal especially when I lived with my GPs. But the story line there was my mum was away working. It was just accepted. I think most people just assumed my GPs were my parents. My GM was 42 ish when I was born.

They were well respected and liked in town. When I lived with my mum and him, I went to a naice school, had clean clothes, while I was far to skinny I always had access to food. I usually had pretty good results at school, when I tried! Sounds big headed but I was attractive too and seemed to have a nice life. With a 'cool' mum who let me stay out from after school on Friday until Sunday night.

The thing with my mum though is she will always be the victim. She never did a thing wrong in her life, it was all done to her. Or she didn't have any say in the way things went. But as I get older I just know that isn't true. If I ever say anything she doesn't like she just cries and I immediately fall back into 'fix her' mode.

A friend I have in recovery now said not in a million years would you look at me and think this was my life. She said I look like a 'yummy' mummy who has it all. A truly wonderful husband, two beautiful children, a nice enough house, a good professional job, not rich but not struggling either.

I think you have to be very tender with yourself and your “nice” life. Because it looks enviable from the outside but obviously you feel its as fragile as a soap bubble.

I, personally, think you should go very, very, very, low contact with your mother. Get a new phone and throw the old one in a drawer so she can call but never reach you.

Your sobriety and your safety need to be protected. I am sure your therapist has talked to you about complex PTSD from your years long, toxic, abusive, childhood. The important thing now is to mother and carefully parent yourself first. Speak to yourself tenderly and lovingly. If you dread seeing her—then don’t. If you want to see her and get love snd acknowledgment from her that is understandable but treat your child self like you are a toddler that mistakes shaving cream for ice cream. You want to eat that sweet looking food but it will make you sick. You want that toxic old woman to see you, love you, care for you ? But she can’t. You will just get sick if you try to “good daughter her” back to life.

A book for now is Pete Walker’s “complex PTSD from surviving to thriving” and a book for later (maybe) is Tich Nhat Hanh’s “Reconciliations”

I wish you so much love and success. Take care of yourself and your little family. That us what us import.

Offcom · 29/07/2025 12:38

I feel so sad reading your story, I'm so sorry the person who should've been your biggest protector has failed you so thoroughly. I've not got any wisdom to add, but I did want to say that you sound amazing. The fact you're asking this question makes me think you've got a really good shot at staying sober. I really hope you're OK!

amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 13:09

@pikkumyy77 no she never mentioned anything about PTSD. She doesn't really like labels though. I was previously told but not officially diagnosed with BPD by a psychiatrist. My therapist does not think I have it, she said she has worked with many adults who do have it, and I don't.

She says lovely things like that I am very resilient and strong. That to have broken away from what I was taught was no small thing. It all feels small to me though. It's hard to explain, but she said I had zero self worth. But I didn't realise that. I did feel like I was worthless, useless and that everyone else mattered much more, but I didn't actually know that is how I felt. It's just the way I lived. I know that sounds very contradictory. It's like a lot of the very terrible things that happened, I would think oh well it's fine, bad things happen. But I would be sad for someone else if it happened to them.

It is a bit sad totally pathetic that I am so desperate even in my 30s for my mum to love me. To want me. To pick me. She loves to tell everyone at work how amazing she is, and how much my DC love her and how much she does for us all. People I meet say how wonderful she is, and how lucky I must be to have her as my mum.

She also said most people are a product of their up bringing, I am who I am despite my upbringing.

@Offcom thank you x

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pikkumyy77 · 29/07/2025 13:29

amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 13:09

@pikkumyy77 no she never mentioned anything about PTSD. She doesn't really like labels though. I was previously told but not officially diagnosed with BPD by a psychiatrist. My therapist does not think I have it, she said she has worked with many adults who do have it, and I don't.

She says lovely things like that I am very resilient and strong. That to have broken away from what I was taught was no small thing. It all feels small to me though. It's hard to explain, but she said I had zero self worth. But I didn't realise that. I did feel like I was worthless, useless and that everyone else mattered much more, but I didn't actually know that is how I felt. It's just the way I lived. I know that sounds very contradictory. It's like a lot of the very terrible things that happened, I would think oh well it's fine, bad things happen. But I would be sad for someone else if it happened to them.

It is a bit sad totally pathetic that I am so desperate even in my 30s for my mum to love me. To want me. To pick me. She loves to tell everyone at work how amazing she is, and how much my DC love her and how much she does for us all. People I meet say how wonderful she is, and how lucky I must be to have her as my mum.

She also said most people are a product of their up bringing, I am who I am despite my upbringing.

@Offcom thank you x

She sounds great. I think avoiding labels is good. But I also think some diagnoses can serve as guideposts out of the fog. I, also, am a licensed therapist, BTW. I heartily recommend Pete Walker’s book—he himself is a survivor of childhood chaos and abuse, so its written as a survivor’s guide. He has really interesting and supportive things to say about the importance of your trauma based coping skills so I think he is in agreement with your therapist that we are all affected by our childhood experiences and must value and appreciate ourselves for all we have accomplished.

NewsdeskJC · 29/07/2025 13:58

Is there also an al anon group you can go to for families?
It sounds brutal but I honestly think the only thing to do is distance yourself. Don't get involved in the ups and downs
Your sobriety is literally the only thing that is important

Radioundermypillow · 29/07/2025 14:06

I have a lot of experience in this area OP and my heart breaks for you.

I'm really glad the counselling is helping. None of what your parents and grandparents have done is your fault and you are not responsible for them. You were a neglected, abused child. You have done amazingly with your sobriety - what a wonderful gift to yourself and to your children. You deserve that gift.

You also deserve to live your life in peace, and you will need to put up boundaries to do this.

The hardest thing is realising that your mum will never be the one you needed or deserved. She can't give you what you yearn for. But the sober, determined you can. You can look after the child part of you that desperately wants things to be different. Be compassionate to yourself. Good luck.

amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 14:15

@NewsdeskJC yes there is. I actually did a zoom meeting online yesterday with them. It was very short but the people were lovely. For my own recovery I have used SMART which I find works well for me. I did do AA for a while and will always be grateful for what I got there but it wasn't for me. Also listening to the book 'THis Naked Mind' wow, it is totally changed my view on alcohol. I no longer feel like I am missing out on something.

@pikkumyy77 I am seeing her later in the week so I will ask. I will also tell her everything I have said on here. Yes she is fantastic. I asked her before about labels. She said I probably have some sort of ND, and would get a diagnosis if I wish. But she also said it can be difficult to know what is ND and what is trauma.

@Radioundermypillow do you know of any online support groups/ forums? Not Al Anon

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Radioundermypillow · 29/07/2025 14:19

amistilltheproblem · 29/07/2025 14:15

@NewsdeskJC yes there is. I actually did a zoom meeting online yesterday with them. It was very short but the people were lovely. For my own recovery I have used SMART which I find works well for me. I did do AA for a while and will always be grateful for what I got there but it wasn't for me. Also listening to the book 'THis Naked Mind' wow, it is totally changed my view on alcohol. I no longer feel like I am missing out on something.

@pikkumyy77 I am seeing her later in the week so I will ask. I will also tell her everything I have said on here. Yes she is fantastic. I asked her before about labels. She said I probably have some sort of ND, and would get a diagnosis if I wish. But she also said it can be difficult to know what is ND and what is trauma.

@Radioundermypillow do you know of any online support groups/ forums? Not Al Anon

NACOA has a really good helpline

Hotflushesandchilblains · 29/07/2025 14:34

I feel such guilt and shame that I am not doing more. Over the years at different point I've run myself down trying to get her to see but she won't.

The people who feel the worse guilt and shame are generally the ones who should least feel them.

It might also be helpful to name your feelings and try to develop some distance - sort of, there I go feeling guilty again, what is it trying to tell me? Is this something I was taught in the past (if you grew up around addiction it 100% will be). You said your mother is a permanent victim - people like this will also try to give responsibility for their wellbeing to others so they dont have to take responsibility themselves. This is nonsense. See it for what it is - an outdated message from the past that was never true.

2 other things that might help - remind yourself it is ok if what she needs and what you can offer do not mesh- its not your job to fix that. And this may seem a little controversial, but I found it healing - remind yourself that the vast majority of parents do love their children, even if their actual parenting is crappy. Its possible your mother loves you as much as it is possible for her to do.

I know that last one is hard, but it can be really helpful.

llittledoveblue · 29/07/2025 19:57

I had a very similar experience op.
She had been on deaths door a number of times. Once when I had four month old and I had severe PND. I remember thinking “I hope she doesn’t make it because I can’t take anymore”

She pulled through and I had severe guilt about that for years. she passed away in 2020. i just felt numb. I think I had been grieving my whole life for the mother I really hoped she’d be. Her death just felt like a process I had been preparing for. I have cried since as I tried my hardest over and over again to get her help but ultimately you can’t help someone that doesn’t want to help themselves.

I could never imagine my DD’s having the childhood I had. I made sure that wouldn’t happen. Im NC with my two brothers because instead of changing the narrative for their kids sake they are doing the same thing to them and it’s so extremely sad.

put yourself and your family first. She has had her chances.

SplashAndTurn · 29/07/2025 20:11

I think it's a journey OP. I started to think of what parent I needed (firm but loving) and to be that for myself (reparenting). When I had EMDR therapy for cPTSD, that really helped me move forward.

I remember being sat on my bed during one of DMs episodes thinking ' whatver happens in life I am not going to take this out on anyone else'. 45 years old and proud to say the trauma stopped with me.

Really glad you are having counselling.

amistilltheproblem · 30/07/2025 14:17

@llittledoveblue I am so sorry to hear about what you went through. PND is no joke. I had is severely with DC no 2. To the point where I look back now and I am so scared about how bad it was.

I tried to get help from my mum. She tried to convince me DH is controlling and that I should leave him. I have not told DH that, he doesn't like her as it is!!

I am starting to feel a bit numb towards her right now. But I just don't understand why I am so concerned/ consumed with protecting her feels.

That's sad to hear about your 2 brothers too and more importantly their children. I am an only child. But I am making sure that my DC are not raised like that. I tell them things often about how kind, caring, helpful, patient, clever they are etc. I always reward good behaviour and they get as much love as they want.

I don't take my frustrations out on them and I do not try and make them alter their feelings to make my feelings better. I also don't dismiss their feelings and never try and cover my mistakes, I explain them.

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Hibernatingtilspring · 30/07/2025 14:41

Sorry for the brief response as I need to head out, but just to say I was in a similar position and frankly, after the initial grief - sadness for her that her life never improved, sadness that that was the end, ie no chance of ever having a good relationship (not that I had thought she would change, just that death is final) - my life got easier.

The background worry that there would be a crisis, or i'd get a call, or the guilt, went. I'd lived with it all my life so I didn't know it was there until it lifted. I didn't dare say it out loud as everyone assumed I'd be upset for months after she passed, but really, I wasn't.

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