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To not believe people who claim to think housing is an uncontroversial investment

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PowerfulFishRiver · 26/07/2025 18:53

Inspired by the wind up thread about the not-quite-millionare, but also a recent conversation with a family member who claimed to be shocked at my strong feelings when they said they wanted to buy a BTL.

I get that people sometimes have to do things that they're not comfortable with because life is tough and often having principles is expensive and sometimes we just can't be the people we want to be. I sometimes do cocaine, fly long-haul, and eat meat, even though I feel deep down like these are all morally wrong. But I would never try to pretend they're morally neutral, especially the drugs.

If someone said they knew treating a home as an investment was wrong, but they literally couldn't see any other way to make enough money to not be in poverty in retirement, or something, I feel like I would have a bit of sympathy.

But I just don't believe people when they claim to believe "it's just a business" or "just an investment". Surely everyone realises there is a finite amount of land on this planet (and especially on this island!), and if someone buys more land/property than they need, they're depriving someone else of it, and therefore making it harder for someone else to have a stable home, which is one of the basic things a human needs to have any sort of wellbeing in their life?

I just can't see how anyone can genuinely think buying up an existing asset and depriving someone else of it is anything like investing in stocks and shares or turning inputs into outputs like an actual productive business does.

OP posts:
rickyrickygrimes · 28/07/2025 20:55

if the finite nature of available land is the issue, why do we let single people or couples live in massive houses on big plots of land? My sister and her partner have just moved into a 4-bed house with a huge garden - surely this shouldn’t be allowed if we are short of land?

BMW6 · 28/07/2025 21:00

PowerfulFishRiver · 28/07/2025 19:14

Breathtakingly original take

Water is wet

Another "breathtakingly original take"

But you haven't addressed any of the very valid points raised OP to counter your arguments.

Just one sneery line 🙄

Fizbosshoes · 28/07/2025 21:56

Where should all the people who don't want to buy, or are somewhere for a finite period of time, live, if not in rental properties?

soupyspoon · 28/07/2025 22:10

MrsSunshine2b · 28/07/2025 16:37

Considering that the minimum energy rating is an E and plans to raise that have been scrapped, your excuse is pretty weak. I'm sure you have offered the tenants the opportunity to buy the properties at the same price you paid for them, since you're such a generous soul. I wonder what energy rating your own home is.

Why would someone sell their house for less than the market rate. Would you?

BMW6 · 28/07/2025 22:38

So come on OP, dazzle us with your insights as to how the housing crisis can be solved and what political system is superior to Capitalism - and why previous attempts have failed so spectacularly. I'm agog, I really am.

DustyMaiden · 28/07/2025 23:29

I’m a landlord. I offer my house to let. The tenant wishes to rent it. What’s the problem? I keep everything well maintained and safe and compliant. I do not see any problems with this.
Do You think the tenant would be grateful to be evicted.

MrsSunshine2b · 29/07/2025 00:45

soupyspoon · 28/07/2025 22:10

Why would someone sell their house for less than the market rate. Would you?

If I gave a shit about the people that lived in my many houses then yes I would. But I'm not a bloodsucker so I have one house, not 5.

BruFord · 29/07/2025 03:20

There’s always going to be some demand for rentals, OP. We live in a university city (more than one) and have neighbors who own three houses that they rent to students. Students don’t want to buy, they want to rent with their mates for a couple of years and move on.

Same for many people in their 20’s who are moving around for job opportunities.

Ineednewcurtainsandblinds · 29/07/2025 07:13

rickyrickygrimes · 28/07/2025 20:55

if the finite nature of available land is the issue, why do we let single people or couples live in massive houses on big plots of land? My sister and her partner have just moved into a 4-bed house with a huge garden - surely this shouldn’t be allowed if we are short of land?

We aren’t short of land. And dictating the size of property people can live in is veering into communist territory. That hasn’t worked out so well in other countries…

JHound · 29/07/2025 10:16

soupyspoon · 27/07/2025 23:23

We have a capitalist economy, everything is there to make money, even health services.

How that regulated and managed, thats a different matter but I dont agree that there is something intrinsically wrong or immoral to be a landlord.

Well that’s your view. I disagree. There are many many many things I would not want to make money from but you do you.

Needlenardlenoo · 29/07/2025 11:32

How would you feel about selling food at a profit, @JHound?

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