To think a lot of men only “respect women” when they’re attracted to them?

[CheekyOchreFinch]

The second she’s old, fat, loud or uninterested, the mask slips.

I think this is a well documented thing OP

as a plus size woman it’s a good litmus test for men like this, i think.

I don't find this at all.

I've never been attractive, but I've always felt respected at work and elsewhere. If anything, the more attractive women receive less male respect.

As a middle aged women in a professional environment with men and women, I find the (competent) middle aged are very much respected by men and women of all ages, with their opinions and knowledge sought after.

Well how many women respect t themselves or theit partner, with the endless whinging on here it works both ways

Men are not to blame for everything in life, women are responsible for some of it as a new aged idea that seems theese days

I disagree, men often have no respect for what they consider a hot woman. She's just a trophy they want to conquer/own.

As someone who’s never been attractive, I haven’t experienced that. I have good longterm male friends, and generally decent relationships with male colleagues.

I disagree. Obviously if you're young and attractive , male or female you get more attention but as a just ok looks wise person I haven't really noticed a lot of difference. But then I'm the same in my interactions with everybody.

I only respect men, when I'm attracted to them too.

I don't think a large portion of men respect any women regardless of attraction. Interest in attractive women yes but not respect.

I mean they're not responsible for everything but in cases of public sexual harassment, domestic abuse, sexual assault and domestic homicide the majority of victims are female and the majority of perpetrators male. In cases of rape the perpetrator is always male.

Male violence towards women has nothing to do with women respecting themselves or women complaining about men. Male violence is only about men.

This

So a womans attractive rating means they will have more or less violence or sexual harassment? Really?

Seperatley women do have a choice who they are in a relationship with they also dont have to move one if it is bad one

Obviously

I agree with this.

I think men either respect women or they don't. They may treat a woman they find attractive better, but it doesn't automatically go that they respect them.

Many will also treat a woman better if they want something from her regardless if they have any respect for her.

What a weird workplace.

At my company, you’re judged on your output, not your pout.

I suppose it depends what you mean by respect tbh. I go through life generally quietly getting on with people of both sexes in the ways I need to get on with them and I’ve never really thought about whether I respect them or whether they respect me. Do you need respect, or just ordinary social politeness? I’ve not to my recollection seen any woman being actively disrespected (by somebody who wasn’t her partner) in any context by a man simply because she’s a woman.

I’m sure that younger, attractive women are treated differently by many men, but that’s reasonably superfluous.

Respect goes beyond politeness. It’s about being seen as fully human - even when you’re not young, attractive, or accommodating. The fact that many men reserve warmth, deference, or basic decency only for women they find attractive is a form of conditional respect and that has real implications. Not witnessing it yourself doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen - it just means it hasn’t happened to you or in front of you.

It definitely is a thing. Just treat these men as if they are invisible. They're not worth your time or your worry.

Don't be fooled, OP.
Dire, but most men don't really "respect" women, unless they are bigger and stronger.
If societal rules weren't in place, there would be far more femicide, rape, assaults and such.
Yes, I hate men. I'm 46, married someone decent, who is three decades older twenty years ago, for this reason and for security.
Since a young teenager, men gave me reasons to despise, loathe and fear them, in this order.
My post is exaggerated, but I'm very happy there are not many of them in my life.

When I was younger and gorgeous a really nasty man at the cafe I worked at was rude to my less attractive workmates but nice to me. I wish is chucked a cup of tea in his face

Definitely. And they can't understand how we can possibly be nice to someone we DON'T find attractive!

They might treat women they’re attracted to better, but that doesn’t equal respect.

The men I can’t bear are the ones who have daughters and suddenly start saying things like ‘Now that I have a daughter…’ and following it up with some statement about how they suddenly care about women’s safety. Ah, yes, you now care about it because you’ve realised it could affect YOU.

Yes, their possession.

It’s like a Personal slight on them if their daughter gets hurt. Most of them have probably inflicted something on somebody else’s daughter though