AIBU to want a party to "take on the rich and powerful"

[BlueJuniper94]

AIBU to want a party to "take on the rich and powerful" but without all the woke stuff? I don't really like that term but you know what I mean. Why doesn't this seem to be an option

If houses were sorted, the rest would follow. But people, including many politicians invest in houses so that won't happen. The crux.

Exactly.

Who do you mean by the rich and powerful? Anyone who has more than you? Or the Dysons and Bransons who start companies, create jobs and grow GDP?

People often say those with inherited wealth but I have a friend who inherited a farm. Yes on paper she is wealthy but she works ridiculous hours growing the wheat, barley and food oil we eat. Her money is all tied up, it generates about 1% return.

My ex-boss had inherited wealth, famous public school then Oxbridge. His tech startup employs 150 people and brings in masses of overseas revenues.

Someone else I used to work with now runs his family's farm. The house is run as a country hotel, the farm producing beef and root veg. He employs about 50 people.

Drive "the rich" away and we all lose.

Don't give me that utter tripe. Woke to me is people who look at a violent and sexually abusive cross dressing man and a vulnerable woman in prison, and decide that she is the problem. I'm referring of course to Isla Bryson. That's what wokery does. Don't lecture me on inequality.

Jeremy Hunt made the first changes to the non-dom status.

Exactly this .
Id be really interested to know how the ever increasing numbers of ‘vulnerables’ are going to generate wealth rather than take it .

Nellodee · Yesterday 21:00
Unfortunately, Britain makes a lot of its money from being a financial hub

Why is that unfortunate?

I share the concerns you have raised here OP, it’s worrying .

Plenty of people are ambitious and try to start their own companies. But this government is not encouraging this. The rise in NI payments has caused a lot to close. Have you got your own business?

Because you can't take on the rich and powerful if you're going to ignore social injustice.

Take on “what” exactly? I’m a high earner, If I get taxed significantly more I’m leaving the UK. I know loads of people who left in the 2009 financial crash and didn’t return.

I work bloody hard, I’m on holiday currently and woke early to add text to a business proposal. If a political party wants to take more of my earnings I’m out. I pay all taxes btw, not a tax avoider.

I don't know, I don't want to light a torch and go after people who live in bigger houses than me, drive younger cars than me, shop in Waitrose and have longer-haul holidays than me.

I just want it so that energy companies don't make such obscenely disgusting profits, tax loopholes are closed so that every one pays their share, government contracts aren't given to their mates to under deliver, and directors at train companies don't pay themselves huge bonuses when the service barely functions and isn't even affordable for people to travel to work anymore.

You don’t say what you class as rich?
do you mean the super rich? Or do you mean those on 100k, who are already paying the equivalent to 60% tax and get zero benefits. No tax allowance, no childcare vouchers etc. would you tax them even more? I take it you don’t have a highly pressured, well paid job?

Why are these arguments framed around taxing individuals rather than being broader? Why shouldn’t corporations be subject to a change in company law that ensures they pay their fair share for the infrastructure and educated workforce they rely on?

Take the highly profitable handful of companies that have taken over most of the UK’s veterinary surgeries, who have forced prices up. Amazon?

The disgraceful behaviour of water companies could be tackled for example too - this would be extremely popular. Their current leadership represent the antithesis of hard work and success by metrics that the public care about. Things like clean drinking water, no shit in rivers and seas matter above all else to the public. Boards of essential services must be barred from collecting huge bonuses when they are failing to do their public duty.

Good luck with your A-levels when you start them, OP.

One problem with this is that people tend to mean by ‘the rich and powerful’ those above them.

We could start by levying punitive taxes on the global 1% of income-earners. That’s a household with a teacher and a nurse, for the UK.

(These figures are already adjusted for purchasing power).

Yes, this is also the kind of thing I mean 👏👏👏

Would that be the rich and the powerful who pay majority of the tax.

Anyone believes and parrots the line that they will take on the rich and powerful is still practising sixth form politics. Grown ups know that the rich and powerful don’t care for these threats. They just up and leave. Because guess other? Other countries are more than happy to have the rich and power and their big bucks residing in their countries. Thats why people in socialist countries usually end up having to eat their own pets and learn the hard way.

And where does the money go. Wasted and stolen by the very government you think is going to save you. We spend about half the money on welfare and the NHS.

By the way, you are naive and need to read up if you think Magic Grandpa Corbyn is the answer. He and his ilk are thieves and crooks.

Heard the latest about Angela Rayner’s department doubling in size and doubling their spend by taking a staggering amount of flights and wasting taxpayer cash? She was supposed to build houses, instead she has stuffed her government department full of incompetent and thick as mince people like here who are basically on permanent holidays flying around on the money that is supposed to be spent on housebuilding. And how many houses have they build. Yeah, exactly.

Heard the latest about your beloved unions? Magic grandpa’s best friend Len Mclusky who was the leader of unit union hired his friends to build a hotel that should have cost £30m but cost £150m and will never name its money back. Comrade Len, it turns out, was allegedly taking flights and football tickets from these friends and never tendered the work out to any other company. That’s union member subscription fees that were spent this way.

Socialists are the biggest crooks and thieves. That’s why these ideals of taking from the rich never works. Because guess what, they only care about becoming rich themselves by stealing from the gullible, often stupid public that votes for them. While the rich paying for your benefits and NHS actually just leave the country.

Corporations are subject to tax, higher than many other countries. 25% actually since you don’t know. That’s higher than basic rate taxpayer.

Now you know.

'The equivalent of 60%' is misleading. You've disregarded the Personal Allowance and the lower tax band. Earnings over a certain amount should be taxed more. And once you get to much higher incomes, it's obscene to begrudge contributing more to the society that often enabled them to get to that position.

You can work hard and still be poor, obviously being well paid is a sign of effort too but assuming people are poor through laziness is incorrect.

Look up the rules of when you lose the personal tax allowance. Educate yourself or you are going to make yourself look pretty stupid.

Likewise to you.

It's difficult to take you seriously OP. The only times recently where Labour have been voted in is where they've been right wing. Blair was praised by Thatcher and Starmer purged the party of the left when he became leader. Ergo this country votes right wing.

People have a choice but they continue to vote right despite being screwed over by the right. Crumbling schools, public services, NHS etc have been decimated by the right but people continued to vote for it.

I find it difficult to take you seriously when you say the media is governed by the Guardian. You have the internet at your fingertips so I'll set you a challenge. Look up the daily visits to The Times, Telegraph, Sun, Mail, Express and compare to the Guardian. All those right wing papers are owned by billionaires who aren't impartial. Those billionaires also own other media and are very influential in politics. Blair famously got into bed with Murdoch before winning the election.

You also seem unaware that social media like Facebook and Twitter are owned by people with an agenda. Look how they're cosying up to Trump and trying to influence politics. None of them are left wing.

It's difficult to take you seriously when you talk about 'liberal bs'. For me, being liberal is about tolerance, civil rights and democracy.

This says it all for me.

You just showed yourself to be a typical leftie. No clue what you are talking about. Ask me any financial question and I will give you the answer. Some of us don’t go on public forums and preach incorrect information.