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M&S website models - stop slouching and cheer up!

23 replies

Pamspeople · 21/07/2025 09:23

I could excuse it in some high fashion brand but this is M&S for god's sake - can't we just have women with average sized bodies looking reasonably cheerful and comfortable and not hunched over themselves? They have the models in such slouchy postures that I can hardly tell what the clothes would look like on someone standing up like a normal person. And they've got them looking sulky and weird. It genuinely puts me off looking at their stuff now.

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Screamingabdabz · 21/07/2025 09:26

It’s when they get them squatting and hunched over. How are you supposed to even see the clothes let alone see how they hang or what the style is? God it’s such a frustrating waste of time.

I love websites like Free People where reviews often include photos and you can see the garment on different body types in real light. It gives you a much better chance. Now that shopping online is the default, they must get better at this!

Pamspeople · 21/07/2025 09:28

Screamingabdabz · 21/07/2025 09:26

It’s when they get them squatting and hunched over. How are you supposed to even see the clothes let alone see how they hang or what the style is? God it’s such a frustrating waste of time.

I love websites like Free People where reviews often include photos and you can see the garment on different body types in real light. It gives you a much better chance. Now that shopping online is the default, they must get better at this!

I'll check them out, always keen to try brands that show normal human women!

Yes! to the thing about not being able to see the actual clothes because they're in weird positions - they should realise that even that extra couple of clicks to have to search out a picture with the whole of the garment visible can be enough to put people off. Grrr.

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carkerpartridge · 21/07/2025 10:09

The website photos drive me insane. I don't want to see a contortionist tied in knots or squatting or standing with one foot on chair. It is so strange and off-putting. I just want to see what the clothes look like, especially the length of tops. There can be 5 or 6 photos per item and not a single one actually shows what the garment is like.

gotohellforheavenssake · 21/07/2025 11:32

Yep drives me nuts hunting for photos that actually show what clothes looks like.

Even worse, H&M sometimes use black and white photos of models/clothes, when the clothes are actually coloured!

waaaaaah · 21/07/2025 11:40

Drives me mad! Especially lately when I’ve been looking for a nice summer dress, and certain brands insist on the images all having a jacket on with the dress. Why? If you are selling a dress let customers see the dress! I want to see the sleeves, the back, the neckline, how it hangs. I don’t want to see only half the thing! Just stand up straight and don’t hide it with accessories

IKeepMyToasterInTheCupboard · 21/07/2025 11:45

You clearly haven't spent any time on ASOS where they seem to all be bent up, and bloody miserable as well.

Gumballina · 21/07/2025 11:49

Yes!!

Also I want to see what the clothes look like from the back, as well as the front. Why does this seem to be so hard for the photographers to achieve? Can't they just ask the model to turn around?

So often the brand seems to have forgotten that they are in the business of selling clothes online. Instead they want to win an edgy art award or something.

SallyD00lally · 21/07/2025 11:52

I don't think I've ever bought clothes from M&S but YANBU about models slouching and squatting down etc.

It drives me mad because I need to see them standing up so I can see what the clothes look like properly.

Couldn't care less if they're smiling or not.

Gumballina · 21/07/2025 12:01

It also makes me suspect that the clothes themselves don't look that good.

You have to contort the model and drape some accessories over the item in order to get a stylish-looking photo.

applegingermint · 21/07/2025 12:04

M&S is a key offender for putting their models in an “I need a wee” or “running away from a wasp” pose.

Having never worried too much about what I look like in either scenario I’d prefer if they just all stood normally so I can see the clothes, especially given the vast majority of M&S is online.

BogRollBOGOF · 21/07/2025 12:05

I was recently looking at their coulotte slips trying to work out if they were suitably sized (couldn't see them in store)

It didn't have a length measurement on the sizing which would be somewhat useful for an undergarment that exists to be covered by clothes.

There was babble about average height being 5'6".
Then a caption that the model was 5'10".
So surmising that the garment was below her knees, being 8" shorter than her, it's a fair guess that the length is mid-shins fugly frumpery on me and only useful to wear under a full length dress.

Sale lost.

I hate buying clothes online unless it's something like sportswear with a lot of flex on fit.

StrawberrySquash · 21/07/2025 12:05

This is a gripe of mine about shopping websites in general. Some absolutely shocking photography that doesn't show the product properly. I want to be able to zoom in and see textures, I want different angles, I want on a model and off. You are saving loads of money by being online; spend some of it showing your products properly.

And which you're at it sort your filter data so that I can actually find things!

CapaciousHag · 21/07/2025 12:06

Ah … This is a Let’s all complain in unison thread, rather than a Where can I find something more satisfactory thread?.

😂

StrawberrySquash · 21/07/2025 18:23

Gumballina · 21/07/2025 11:49

Yes!!

Also I want to see what the clothes look like from the back, as well as the front. Why does this seem to be so hard for the photographers to achieve? Can't they just ask the model to turn around?

So often the brand seems to have forgotten that they are in the business of selling clothes online. Instead they want to win an edgy art award or something.

I don't mind a bit of artistic - they are selling a lifestyle after all. But we still need the practical stuff.

DonnaBanana · 21/07/2025 18:35

Clothing models often look moody especially the higher end you go. Why? It works and it looks classier. They don’t do it for the fun of it but because it sells clothes. The only gleefully smiling models you get are in low end catalogues and kids wear.

ScarletWitchM · 21/07/2025 18:43

I also hate when their bra models are clearly wearing the wrong size bra so you can’t really get a view of how it would look. And don’t get me started on M&S showing plus size bras or clothes on super skinny models

cramptramp · 21/07/2025 18:46

I agree. This happened when M&S tried to make themselves all relevant and modern. It’s just annoying.

CheerfulBunny · 21/07/2025 18:54

This keeps popping up in my feeds. Every single time I think 'This woman looks like she's on the toilet!'

M&S website models - stop slouching and cheer up!
marmite2025 · 21/07/2025 20:19

showing tops tucked in bugs me. I’m 5ft 10, I’m looking for longer v neck t shirts, how can I tell the length if you don’t list it and all you show is it tucked in!

Pamspeople · 21/07/2025 22:02

CheerfulBunny · 21/07/2025 18:54

This keeps popping up in my feeds. Every single time I think 'This woman looks like she's on the toilet!'

It totally does. I wonder if the loo roll has run out, someone pass her a new one under the door!

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GrumpyInsomniac · 21/07/2025 22:32

As someone who used to be CMO for a fashion company, I can shed some light on the e-commerce photography process, if any would like.

First of all, most of the time you’re working off samples because the manufactured garments are not available. That can mean that there are finishing issues you need to hide from the camera or face retouching after, which will limit the number of aspects of the garment you can photograph.

Second, you wouldn’t believe how long it takes to get the garments shot from all the relevant angles. Getting 30 garments done properly per model per shooting day is ambitious, because a model day is only 8 hours including hair and makeup.

You always want front view, but it may be that you’ve had to clip the back, and then you have to clip the front in order to get the back view. You may have to resteam a garment. You may choose to combine a jacket with a dress for some shots so that you get some shots of the jacket, and when it comes to doing selects you find that the model’s facial expression or some other thing just doesn’t work and you need to abandon the main front shots. You’ll need to retouch makeup and hair, and you’ll also have to allow an hour for lunch. Plus the model doesn’t just throw on the garment: there will be a stylist there ensuring that it sits right, that bows and other details are just so, that pleats fall right… the whole shebang.

Social media is the reason why you’re now seeing lots of models squatting: brands need square images for product carousels. There’s a limited number of poses where that’s possible.

Models looking moody is lazy. It works for editorial and luxe, but the analytics tell a different story in e-commerce: customers will click on the smiling model in the product listing page rather than the sulky one.

I’m sure someone will say that the trick to solving the need to clip garments is to cast models that are the right size for the samples. Which is fine in theory but harder to do in practice when so many are a size 6-8 and your samples are a size 10: there were times that I couldn’t cast a single size 10, despite looking at models from all the major London agencies. I always tried hard to cast the right size because I wanted customers to get a proper view of how things would fit and sit, but it was a constant battle with the brand’s creative director to achieve this, as well as with the model agencies whose scouts were so often not getting size 10s on the books.

I did manage to stop the practice of photoshopping blemishes and tattoos on the models we used. I managed to get actual size 10s when they were available, and I tried to direct the shoots such that we had the shots I would want as a customer in order to decide whether I wanted to buy. And then I also had to spend many hours going through thousands of pictures to make the selects that would end up on the site. Even with everything being digital, it takes a fuck of a long time, and therefore money.

I can say more if anyone is interested, but all this is to say that I understand how M&S arrived at this photography. With how many garments they have on the website at any one time they are constantly shooting and I think the spark goes out when it becomes no more than a production line - the joys of fast fashion, frankly. I know I was glad we just had two collections per year and I could focus on getting the best possible results.

Gumballina · 23/07/2025 21:10

GrumpyInsomniac · 21/07/2025 22:32

As someone who used to be CMO for a fashion company, I can shed some light on the e-commerce photography process, if any would like.

First of all, most of the time you’re working off samples because the manufactured garments are not available. That can mean that there are finishing issues you need to hide from the camera or face retouching after, which will limit the number of aspects of the garment you can photograph.

Second, you wouldn’t believe how long it takes to get the garments shot from all the relevant angles. Getting 30 garments done properly per model per shooting day is ambitious, because a model day is only 8 hours including hair and makeup.

You always want front view, but it may be that you’ve had to clip the back, and then you have to clip the front in order to get the back view. You may have to resteam a garment. You may choose to combine a jacket with a dress for some shots so that you get some shots of the jacket, and when it comes to doing selects you find that the model’s facial expression or some other thing just doesn’t work and you need to abandon the main front shots. You’ll need to retouch makeup and hair, and you’ll also have to allow an hour for lunch. Plus the model doesn’t just throw on the garment: there will be a stylist there ensuring that it sits right, that bows and other details are just so, that pleats fall right… the whole shebang.

Social media is the reason why you’re now seeing lots of models squatting: brands need square images for product carousels. There’s a limited number of poses where that’s possible.

Models looking moody is lazy. It works for editorial and luxe, but the analytics tell a different story in e-commerce: customers will click on the smiling model in the product listing page rather than the sulky one.

I’m sure someone will say that the trick to solving the need to clip garments is to cast models that are the right size for the samples. Which is fine in theory but harder to do in practice when so many are a size 6-8 and your samples are a size 10: there were times that I couldn’t cast a single size 10, despite looking at models from all the major London agencies. I always tried hard to cast the right size because I wanted customers to get a proper view of how things would fit and sit, but it was a constant battle with the brand’s creative director to achieve this, as well as with the model agencies whose scouts were so often not getting size 10s on the books.

I did manage to stop the practice of photoshopping blemishes and tattoos on the models we used. I managed to get actual size 10s when they were available, and I tried to direct the shoots such that we had the shots I would want as a customer in order to decide whether I wanted to buy. And then I also had to spend many hours going through thousands of pictures to make the selects that would end up on the site. Even with everything being digital, it takes a fuck of a long time, and therefore money.

I can say more if anyone is interested, but all this is to say that I understand how M&S arrived at this photography. With how many garments they have on the website at any one time they are constantly shooting and I think the spark goes out when it becomes no more than a production line - the joys of fast fashion, frankly. I know I was glad we just had two collections per year and I could focus on getting the best possible results.

This is fascinating - thank you!

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