To think this is completely unacceptable - school exclusions?

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jul/10/rise-in-school-exclusions-in-england-including-among-children-under-six

Needs to be 1000 x more permanent exclusions in my opinion. Utterly sick of it. So much of schools (and society in general) is brought down by a certain percentage of society who want to do nothing but destroy and ruin nice things for everyone.

Do you know how serious a child’s behaviour needs to be before they are excluded? The threshold is so high already. Way too high. It’s utterly disgusting how headteachers are blackmailed into not keeping their students and staff safe by being fined eyewatering amounts by the local authority/government for every student expelled or having their Ofsted rating crippled. There are so many children out there who are making schools a living nightmare for staff and students.

Eden Lake is not just a fictional British horror movie. There are students like that in every school in the country.

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Oh so true!

As the more measured, mature posters have outlined, it's very, very unfortunate that exclusion is often the only way that spurs the LEA into action; it actually usually takes 2 permanent exclusions to get 'specialist' provision. And for a primary dc that's a lot of 'shit' to recover from, particulary if they have a SEND condition and their behaviour (around the age of 7 as they're still young and can't express themselves in calm ways yet, still forming) which isn't due to some environmental factors such as poor parenting, DV, substance abuse, etc., which can also produce violent and aggressive behavior.And the latter situations can also produce the quiet, withdrawn and/or amenable child.

However, being the parent of an excluded autistic dc, I don't think that teachers should put up with aggressiveness from pupils, neither verbal or physical, at all. I know I don't.

I may have withstood, as a parent, some violent reactions from my small child which I was able to contain but mainstream teachers shouldn't have to; only appropriately trained people with the right mindset and skills to do so can.

Having said that, I've seen an increase in bad behaviour in teenagers and children and they're getting younger when they start this too and this trend does need more focus.

My ds is fine, the violent phase was shortlived and he outshines the many 'gobby', disrespectful, violent young people now with his calmness. I'm a bit of a burnt out case but will be happily waving him off to uni in sept.

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my friends DS school try to exclude him ( age 4 ) as a way to off role him as his ehcp was being finalised to get him a spot in a PRU step programme that had a Sen school
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he was not violent !

It’s completely acceptable. If anything, it’s not done enough.

If kids behave that way, why should teachers and other kids put up with it?

As the more measured, mature posters have outlined, it's very, very unfortunate that exclusion is often the only way that spurs the LEA into action; is that yet another condescending way to decry 'posters who prioritise their own dc over the pupils who kick the shit out of them"?
So are the 'measured, mature' posters ones who say "well darling, I know Jimothy has kicked 7 shades out of you today because he wasn't happy he had to wait behind others for a snack.... but how wonderful and life inspiring he chose you!! Think how Jimothy is!!"

I'm so fed up of my two lovely children, who have never been in trouble at school for anything, coming home and telling me how they've been hit, pushed, shoved, even bitten, and stolen from by various other pupils.

But it's ok because they have needs and these needs trump the needs of my children to be safe at school!

They're too busy trying to sneak 'consultations' through on what they think is the last day of term at 4pm and hoping that there's nobody there to read the entire document to find an oblique reference towards the end about needing to run a metal detector over them multiple times a day and making sure that no children are seen or speak in their presence, especially if they are able to access anything pointed or heavy.

It's deliberately wasting time, it's causing distress to the families, it's denying the child the appropriate setting and it's absolutely calculated, as it's only ever the ones who there is absolutely no chance of meeting needs that come through at that point.

So what do you suggest then because as soon as he was in a new school with the right adaptations he stopped being frightened and lashing out and is now thriving. Or do we just write off 4 year olds?

You must be fucking joking.

My 8 year olds class is evacuated on a daily basis due to a couple of “chair throwers”. They get the rage over nothing and that’s it. Classroom destroyed. Teachers and classmates assaulted. It’s been this way since they were 5 and it is completely and utterly normalised now.

I don’t actually give a shite whether they are neuro diverse or not. I just want them removed so that my child can learn properly in a safe environment.

Oh stop with that. Honestly it's ridiculous. What were your thoughts towards the other childrenwho yours was aggressive and violent to? Do you think about them at all, or are they collateral damage until you get what you want for your dc,

Noone has said that at all.

Literally the only people are saying its not acceptable that exclusion are increasing, are saying it's because the excluded children should have been in a different environment long before it got to the point of exclusion or been supported better a less austerity struck social services (or cahms, or youth justice or speech and language or ot) so they weren't doing those things at all.

There will always be someone who slips through the net so exclusion should always remain an option to protect others and I certainly found my chikdren witnessing or being victims of violence distressing. But it actually made me crosser with the austerity too.

I'm desperate for our school to crack down further and be quicker to exclude. A child started who regularly disrupts, swears, throws chairs, is racist towards others. The children who behave are forgotten about. I'm sick of this.

You haven’t answered my question, what do you suggest? Children and adults wouldn’t be getting hurt if they actually were given the support and resources to help the 4 year olds who have additional needs or are overwhelmed by school or whatever else. It’s not a popular opinion but if you and society write off 4 year olds why are we then surprised we have drug addicts, criminals etc rife in this country

So it's everyone else's fault then?

I haven’t said it’s anyone elses fault and you still haven’t answered my question, what do you suggest?

Serious assaults, drug dealing etc are not entry level crimes. People do it because they are empowered by lack of consequences prior to this and people have ignored it.

Maybe it’s like the school system- we don’t invest enough in prison and probation services because it’s politically unpopular. There are people committing serious crimes like owning child abuse images and not going to prison anymore.

Similar happened to us.

When our autistic DS was five, we were told by "professionals" to never say "NO" because it caused meltdown.

We soon realised that you can't possibly raise a child never using the word NO.

Talk about bad advice!!

I would definitely like to see teachers and schools have the power to remove kids with aggressive/violent/disruptive behaviour from the classroom, and exclude from school of they feel it's appropriate.

And I would like to see more support for families, as PPs have said, and more suitable school settings for those kids with SEN needs, whose behaviour in mainstream school is disruptive or dangerous.

Nobody is thriving when the environment is so stressful and feels unsafe.

I think a lot of the increase in SEN support needs we're seeing is because kids like my DS (anxious, autistic, but academic and well-behaved) can't cope with the stress and anxiety of the school environment and end up needing a lot of support. Things DS has had to deal with IN CLASS in Y9 include "rage baiting", physical assault, and death threats. As a result, he spends a lot of time in the SEN area, where it is quieter and calmer. He literally just wants to get on with his work. This is in a supposedly "good" secondary.