to think that just because you say something about Israel and Gaza does not mean that you should be threatened with arrest under the terrorism act?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/17/armed-police-threatened-to-arrest-kent-protester-for-holding-palestinian-flag

She had a sign saying "Free Gaza" and "Israel is committing genocide"

She was threatened with arrest under the terrorism act because a certain group that has been deemed to be a terrorist group also share those same views - and therefore the lady was supporting a terrorist group.

In the encounter, which she filmed, one officer told her: “Mentioning freedom of Gaza, Israel, genocide, all of that all come under proscribed groups, which are terror groups that have been dictated by the government.”

He went on to say that the phrase “Free Gaza” was “supportive of Palestine Action”, adding it was an offence “to express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, namely Palestine Action is an offence under section 12(1A) of the Terrorism Act”. The officer told her she had committed that offence.

I can think of many groups who share those same beliefs. Having that belief does not mean you support that group.

A Kent police spokesperson said: “Under the Terrorism Act it is a criminal offence to carry or display items that may arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation such as Palestine Action.”

I am asking what support for a terrorist organisation looks like under Section 12.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your statement.

That doesn't evidence you previous claim. What do you want me to evidence, in particular?

The proposition was put to me, so I answered it. Don't tell me I'm derailing the thread.

No, you came onto the thread immediately calling it goady. As you do with any thread about Israel - and I assume try to get it deleted to stop people talking about the current starvation and murder of women and kids in Gaza.

36 people were shot yesterday alone by the IDF trying to get food and water. It’s mass slaughter.

Can you please explain why it's not murder?

No, those threads are shut down because "certain posters" resort to personal attacks and hyperbolic language.

It's not targetted; therefore no intent.

You're suggesting they are dropping bombs and the people just happen to be there?

Like if my 7 yr old rubs round flailing his arms and if his sister happens to run into them that's her fault?

🤣 Not targetted?

Fucking hell! It’s blindblowingly deluded. Just how stupid do you think everyone is?

The IDF are LITERALLY shooting children at point blank range while they scrabble in the dirt for food.

I haven't tried to get the thread deleted. Maybe if the OP had put a different title, you would have a point about derailment; I have repeatedly pointed that out to her. If the thread had been about freedom of speech per se, it would have taken a different direction - hence the goad. You're last point is irrelevant to the thread - according to you.

You state it’s not targetted murder.

People respond to your (outrageous) point.

Then you accuse people of detailing the thread.

It’s exactly the disengenuous tactics that Israel are also using as part of their mass propaganda.

She should ask if the MPs, Bishops and Lords who also expressed these views are likely to be arrested? Absolute abuse of power. Very worrying for everyone whatever your political views.

The IDF deny those wounds came from their weapons. You ask how stupid I think people are? I won't answer that one.

🤣 Fucking hell.

This is how genocide happens.

Where have I accused anyone of derailing the thread?

Genocide is deliberate targeting.

To-think-that-just-because-you-say-something-about-israel-and-gaza-does-not-mean-that-you-should-be-threatened-with-arrest-under-the-terrorism

That title is quite clear

1. Someone had a poster with her views on Gaza
2. They were threatened with arrest under Section 12

The OP is very clear that it is about how Section 12 should be applied.

It's NOT about what is happening in Gaza.

It's about how Section 12 should be applied.and that is Freedom of speech

We can all see straight through it you know

Are you not aware of military errors?

I think we are done. It's pointless continuing.

Maybe the other posters questioning me, can read what you've just written.

You're not aware that calling a spade a shovel doesn't make it not a spade?

And this was your first reply?

Did you think it was goady to ask how Section 12 should be applied - it's clearly about Freedom of speech - but did you just read the thread title and not the actual OP or the link provided?

If you had, then you would have realised that this thread has always been about what people can say - and if they say something, are they "supporting a proscribed group under Section 12"

So - why did you think this was goady?

That's according to you. I call what I see and don't need to justify it. I politely answered what was put to me.

I think you just read the thread title - and didn't take time to think what this was actually about.