To ask what you think to this school new rule?

[Redsatin109]

Just heard from other parents that apparently they’ll be reducing the amount of water y2 and upwards can have next year. So limiting the amount of times they can access their water bottle. This is because they’re only allowed to go to the toilets at breaks/lunch and it’s to limit toileting accidents in the classroom.

Sounds sensible to me, everyone survived without water bottles previously

A simple Google will find them...plenty on BBC news, other news channels, this site and education groups, health, bladder charities and more local discussion groups.
Here's a starter...in an Ed publication Students on their periods unable to access school toilets https://share.google/ea1MbmN6gNOAgIMgd

Girls with periods (primary) have access to loos in my school at all times and that includes the staff loo where sanitary products are readily available. I say this as a teacher in a school with a very high number of GRT children where often talking of periods is taboo.

The drinks on the other hand... No-one needs a 2 pint stanley cup of water (or similarish) between 9am and 10.30!!

Two thirds of schools block access to toilets? Rubbish. They don’t back up those claims with anything other than ‘studies show’.
Try sifting through your ‘journalism’ and recognising what is sensationalist nonsense.

You can find anything on google to support any argument you want, it’s worth keeping that in mind. It doesn’t mean it’s right.

This rule probably wasn't even true. It appeared on a parent WhatsApp group. I bet someone's kid got told they couldn't go get another drink and they told their parent who decided it was a new school rule. Op never actually confirmed it was true, did they?

Doesn't mean it isn't- just because it doesn't suit your narrative. Fairly pointless conversation if you deny everything put to you. Show me the evidence schools freely allow kids to use the toilet when they need it? I can't see the evidence.

Well given I was a secondary school teacher who trained in and then worked in a number of schools, I can assure you that none of the schools I worked in blocked children from using toilets between lessons or at break/lunch. And if a girl needed to use the toilet in lessons due to her period, she was allowed to go.
Some schools did not let children use the toilet during lessons unless in an emergency, but this isn’t exactly a breach of human rights. Within an hour, they’d be allowed to go to the toilet between the next lesson. It’s no different than not being able to go to the loo on a car journey until the next service station, yet we don’t scream about human rights in that situation, do we?

Oh so some schools don't allow kids to go to the toilet.

If you’ve ever been a teacher and seen the behaviour of kids nowadays, you’d understand why this rule has had to be brought in.
You do realise that there are a huge number of children who used “needing the toilet” a an excuse to vandalise toilets, bunk from lessons, bully other children and generally disrupt their own learning and the learning of others.

FWIW, I always let my kids go to the toilet in my lessons, but not two at a time and I was also careful to spot the ‘repeat offenders’ who were just doing it to get out of working.

Kids do not need to be guzzling water all day. That’s what this thread is about.

Your post suggested that the ERIC website listed this actions as what schools SHOULD do when they were simply ideas schools might consider in order to make it easier for kids to drink.

I agree that more should be done to make it easier for kids to go to the loo-I think it’s shocking that some schools sometimes lock loos. That seems to me much more important than fretting about them sometimes going 60 minutes without water.

Still no science, by the way!

So you are able to use other methods to ensure good behaviour and allow toilet access - which is exactly as it should be. Therefore we should also be able to use methods that allow kids to drink when they need it without restricting access.

Science for what?

How is it going 60mins without water?

You are using hyperbolic examples from the past. Sending children up chimneys or putting them in workhouses is obviously barbaric and bad for their health. Denying them constant access to drinks throughout the day is neither.

Mmm..I guess they didn't think sending kids up chimneys was bad for their health at the time....but they subsequently realised. And my point was in relation to the response of "we didn't in my day" and we need to learn and change.

Of course they knew then that sending kids up chimneys was bad for their health. Do you think rich kids were made to do that?! Of course not, it was only the poor and desperate.

But they still did it.

Desperate people do things to survive.
Child labour exists in many countries today for the same reasons. Hunger, desperation, and survival.

And whats your point in relation to that apparently being a reason not to change or improve treatment of kids because "we did it in my day".

Science supporting the assertion that normally healthy children in the developed word will become dehydrated without constant access to water.

But why? It's not about preventing the extreme of dehydration. It's about drinking as and when a person chooses to. It's about good hydration, improved concentration, prevention of kidney, bowel, bladder, continence issues and promoting good healthy habits. It's about autonomy and learning to make good choices. All these benefits are proven by medical knowledge of these conditions. All referred to by Eric and other bowel, kidney charities and medical experts. Yet you seem to think their knowledge, experience and medical qualifications aren't sufficient.

But constant sipping has been found to have a negative impact on the kidneys and the general distraction of the water bottles isnt helpful for focus and retention. A good balance is drinks at regular intervals, which makes sense.

So how? Should they schedule a 5 minute drinking time at the start or end of each lesson? And you are assuming that kids are constantly sipping as opposed to having a drink at a regular interval which happens to be during a lesson. So if you remove the bottle does that guarantee those 'fidgeting' won't do it with their pencil case, ruler, pen, hair (pick any item).

People seem to have confused sipping water as dangerous for the kidney. This is only dangerous for those on dialysis. Sipping water is a better way to stay hydrated and is recommended.

Hydration for kidney health | Dehydration and the kidneys share.google/Oa6SHJdtbXQDfwt0Q