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Brother's new girlfriend turning him against our mum

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ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 10:07

I'll try to keep this short. My brother very recently met someone who lives abroad. She has children she can't leave so it was decided he would move there. To live and work in her country they need to get married. This is happening next week and they only met 6 months ago. He has given up his job and put his house on the market and is currently living in her house. They both have kids from previous relationships; he has left his in England.

She hasn't come to visit my parents once - I know it hasn't been very long but they have travelled about a fair bit in that time, so it seems they could have arranged a visit, especially as they're getting married. I also haven't met her. My parents and I are in Scotland and his kids are in England so though she's been here to meet his children it was too awkward to tie a visit in with one to my parents or me. She was supposed to visit my parents with him last month but in the end he came alone (she had a last minute meeting come up, no one mentioned if she could have rescheduled this). We were supposed to be going to their wedding but they have decided now to do a small registry office wedding and because her family can't go she doesn't want any family to come, though my parents offered to go.

On top of this my mum offered them a family wedding ring which my brother took when he visited. She didn't hear anything about it for almost a week, so asked if they liked it. She got a vague answer and wondered if perhaps they felt obligated to take it. So she sent the gf a message saying you don't have to have it, I won't mind. Somehow this got misconstrued as a controlling thing and when I contacted my brother to ask about it, he spewed all this stuff about our mother being controlling and expecting things in return if she helps him. He has leaned on her a lot the last few years as he's been single and struggling with divorce, coparenting and not liking his job. My mum is always there for him, my dad too. They always worry about him and were initially really happy for him to have met someone. So for him to start coming out with all this stuff was shocking. I said we were all hurt we hadn't met her yet and there's no plan to meet either before next year when they say they will do a celebration. (the plan for this keeps changing so I'm dubious) and he was vague about that.

The gf has issues with her own mother and my brother said she was reminded of her behaviour and this triggered her. I am sympathetic to that but she doesn't even know us. He is currently not talking to any of us and we are just baffled by the whole thing. It feels like any time we reach out she will twist it into something negative. It feels like he is being controlled by her and my mum is worried he feels he can't escape, because he's given up his life. I think she needs to step back for a bit because every time she reaches out it seems to be twisted into something controlling. She has said she will always be there for him. What more can we do?

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ThatLoudBear · 16/07/2025 11:58

ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 11:15

There is a whole other story with his kids which I didn't want to go into as it's not relevant to this. I will just summarise it - he has a toxic ex partner he attempts to co parent with. Over the years she has turned the kids against him and he's recently had to back right off and just try to have a nice time with them instead of try to counter all the damage she does. (She does things like go on holiday without them without telling my brother who's looking after them etc) School always ring her about anything and he's missed school meetings because no one told him they were happening. Recently the kids have asked to change their name to hers and generally can be really disrespectful to him and repeat bad things she's said about him. My parents always encouraged him to stay close and be involved but recently (before this gf came on the scene) they visited and saw just how awful it was for him. He had a demanding job with long hours so he did his best but any working parent knows how hard the juggle is, plus he had no support when he saw them (he's not from that area) but she has all these people around and doesn't work. For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself. He always pays child support and buys them things they need and that will continue. So for all his faults I won't hear that he is a bad father. He really has tried. The kids are older teenagers now and will be able to travel to visit him if they want to so I don't think that part of it is so unreasonable, though it has all happened so quickly.

For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself

He is SHIT father.

Neverlookback32 · 16/07/2025 12:02

ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 11:33

I feel I'm getting conflicting advice here. I understand my perception may well be different to his and I am trying to put myself in his shoes. Okay we shouldn't judge someone we've never met, but she has judged my mum and made some hurtful accusations. Also we should back off and leave him to his life, but also go and visit them uninvited - he's only been there a month. I feel like if we did that Mumsnetters would call us 'intrusive'. We don't want them to 'pander' to us, but there have been opportunities to come and visit us and they were invited. This felt reasonable. Not sure I can win here!

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The fact hes only been there a month and you're already upset that he hasn't come to visit is totally unreasonable and unfair of you. Let the man settle down hes gone through a big change in his life.
Its also not your place to insert yourself between the obvious issues your brother has with your mum, and he has every right to judge his own mother since he does actually know her and by taking your mothers side in this matter will only serve to invalidate his feelings and experiences and isolate you further if it hasn't already done so.
Leave their business between them as you have no place for an opinion in matters that dont involve you.
Im not telling you to visit them uninvited. Im saying you're complaining because he hasn't been to visit you in the month hes been gone, which is very selfish in my opinion and there is nothing wrong in you asking him if its ok for you to visit him and arrange a time and place that suits you both if you are that eager to see him.
Happy children do not isolate themselves from their own parents for no good reason. He is clearly upset with your mother, but rather than listen to him, validate his feelings or have the guilty party show accountability, you instead choose to deflect the blame onto his new girlfriend. Who you haven't even met.
Its obvious to see why he left.

Apocketfilledwithposies · 16/07/2025 12:07

He's been over there a month and you're all upset he hasn't come to visit you with her?! Really?!

The comment about how he used to have the kids every weekend but needed time to himself too shows him up royally OP. He is not a good dad. On the bright side it sounds like the kids won't be missing much parenting from him anyway.

Slating mum for not working whole caring for multiple kids with very very little input from their dad shows you up too.

I think you and your mum need to massively step back and leave him be. Yes he might be being controlled or scammed, or he might just be very self involved and only interested in his own direct happiness.

HunnyPot · 16/07/2025 12:12

Red flags all over this. Can you imagine how much worse it’s going to be once she’s married to him.

Just be there for him when he comes to his senses.

Richiewoo · 16/07/2025 12:13

He's a grown man who's allowing her to influence him. Leave him to it. He'll need you before you need him.

beAsensible1 · 16/07/2025 12:19

Your mum needs to let go. He is an adult, every time she comments or talks about his relationship or GF it’s another tick box on her bad list to them.

just leave it. If he loses out or is being controlled unless he reaches out for help there’s not much you can do over the phone in a different country.

Your DB has left his kids in another country to be with a woman so he’s hardly a prince among men. his main focus is clearly whatever woman he is dating at the time.

stop chasing after him. Just smile and wave.

Driftingawaynow · 16/07/2025 12:51

ThatLoudBear · 16/07/2025 11:58

For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself

He is SHIT father.

For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself

yes this is shit shit shit

also it’s outrageous to blame the mother for witholding contact when you have older teenagers not wanting to see him. Teenagers do what they want. They are not going to appreciate him leaving the country, it’s a shitty thing to do.

OhHellolittleone · 16/07/2025 12:58

ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 11:15

There is a whole other story with his kids which I didn't want to go into as it's not relevant to this. I will just summarise it - he has a toxic ex partner he attempts to co parent with. Over the years she has turned the kids against him and he's recently had to back right off and just try to have a nice time with them instead of try to counter all the damage she does. (She does things like go on holiday without them without telling my brother who's looking after them etc) School always ring her about anything and he's missed school meetings because no one told him they were happening. Recently the kids have asked to change their name to hers and generally can be really disrespectful to him and repeat bad things she's said about him. My parents always encouraged him to stay close and be involved but recently (before this gf came on the scene) they visited and saw just how awful it was for him. He had a demanding job with long hours so he did his best but any working parent knows how hard the juggle is, plus he had no support when he saw them (he's not from that area) but she has all these people around and doesn't work. For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself. He always pays child support and buys them things they need and that will continue. So for all his faults I won't hear that he is a bad father. He really has tried. The kids are older teenagers now and will be able to travel to visit him if they want to so I don't think that part of it is so unreasonable, though it has all happened so quickly.

He’s not really father of the year if ‘tried’ is past tense? Why has he given up? If he moved abroad to be with someone else because of their kids he is hardly prioritising his own children. Plus they don’t know her so it’s not like visiting would be easy. I think your brother is more selfish than you want to think.

ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 13:01

People don't read things properly. He's been there a month but before that they were seeing each other long distance and have several times been close by to my parents with a plan to visit and for whatever reason it hasn't happened. So yes they are very busy but there have definitely been opportunities, even for a quick meetup on their way somewhere else. And no it isn't that long for us all to be getting upset about not meeting her and we wouldn't expect that yet if they weren't getting married. He actually has visited us recently and she was supposed to come, but she didn't at the last minute. Also they have planned various trips including visiting her family so barely settled for long enough for us to go and see them.

As for the vile comments about him being a shit father, I'm not even addressing those. There is a looooooong history there and I only gave a few snippets which people are tearing apart but it's all part of a bigger picture that isn't really the point of this post anyway. I think some people just see the world as black and white, or as others have said they are just enjoying the sport of saying unpleasant things. Thank you to the people who have answered with helpful views - and I'm not only including the positive responses in that. Some comments about his perspective of our parents being different to mine are true and something I need to remember, because it is hard to see things from someone else's point of view a lot of the time - as Mumsnet shows!

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ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 13:04

scrivette · 16/07/2025 11:56

My perspective from having seen this with a couple of family members is that he and her have together and fallen in love very quickly.

They have created their own little ’bubble’ and in that bubble anyone who disagrees with them or says something that can be taken the wrong way will be seen as creating a them and us situation.

They will see that everyone else is out to get them and they can only rely on each other - therefore alienating friends and family.

All you can do is be there when they ask (if you have the patience) and hope that they come out of this bubble - or know that your relationship with your brother is going to change if they don’t emerge from this bubble they have created.

As I say, I have seen this happen so my perspective may be slightly skewed towards this - but it sounds similar to how our situations started.

It does sound exactly like this. We really do only care about him and want the best for him. It's so eye opening how some people jump to horrible conclusions about other people's situations.

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5128gap · 16/07/2025 13:08

You brother is an impulsive man who puts having a girlfriend ahead of his parenting commitments, seems to care little for any of you, and flies off the handle with his mother about nothing at all. What on earth makes you think he needs a bad influence of a girlfriend to lead him astray? Sounds like he's managed to be pretty awful all by himself.

BigDeepBreaths · 16/07/2025 13:18

School always ring her about anything and he's missed school meetings because no one told him they were happening.

Newsflash: parents can and should call school themselves and ask to be put on the contact list.

Imagine giving up an arrangement that allows you to see your kids because you dont have time to yourself?! Why wouldnt you fight tooth and nail for a fair custody schedule instead of giving up.

Your brother has form for dodging his responsibilities. He may be well intentioned but it sounds like his execution of being a dad has fallen well short.

I suspect he has fed you a narrative about being a great dad despite a toxic ex. He is now feeding the new GF a narrative of him being a good son/brother despite a toxic family.

No advice other than good luck.

SpryCat · 16/07/2025 13:21

Your brother is running away from his problems, he thinks he has found someone who will rescue him with her love, so he doesn’t feel so wretched and depressed. There is literally nothing you can say or do to stop him, the best thing is to say you need to reach out and wish him well in his marry and wait till all the money is spent and he gets the elbow.

Littleredraincoat · 16/07/2025 13:35

ThatLoudBear · 16/07/2025 11:58

For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself

He is SHIT father.

Explains why he has a shit relationship with his ex. Can't imagine poor cow gets much time to herself either.

BoredZelda · 16/07/2025 13:40

ThisPithyBird · 16/07/2025 10:30

Appreciate the responses so far. Absolutely it's my brother's actions that have upset us. I can't feel much about her having never even met her beyond one video call! She came once to meet his kids for the first time - which of course is more of a priority - and my parents didn't want to intrude on that and they weren't invited so I don't think that would have been appropriate. At the time we assumed they'd come to us later or invite us somewhere in the middle perhaps. They've travelled nearer to us before but again we didn't feel we could invite ourselves. The ring itself is not important as such, it's more the worrying response it's caused which makes us a bit concerned. But everyone is right, he's a grown man and we just have to back off. It's hard though as we are close.. or we were.

And yet the title says differently.

If you’re desperate to meet her, travel to their country and do it.

andherewegoagainonmyown · 16/07/2025 13:41

This is sad. My brother in law did the very same. Moved continents to be with a new wife. ( actually wives plural in the end!) Over time we did meet the newest wife and she’s ok. She’s gotten used to us all.
but the kids? No relationship there at all. They weren’t impressed dad moved away. Yes he gave them money and still does from time to time. But they don’t have a relationship with him. I find that very hard to stomach.

LAMPS1 · 16/07/2025 13:46

I think it could be that your DB has had years of trying his best for his dc and years of taking abuse from his ex, and now, having met somebody new and fallen in love, has decided life is too short to keep knocking his head against a brick wall.
We don’t know where in Europe he’s moving to …it could be as close as northern France or much much further, but I’m sure your DB will still make effort to see his own Dc as much as humanly possible, -given they have been turned against him by his ex anyway.

He does deserve a chance at happiness now, I’d say.
He probably felt he would never have the blessing of his parents for anything but staying and enduring more of the same pain. He has maybe realised that it’s futile to hang around any more waiting at his ex’s mercy, for crumbs of time with his children. He already has to travel to see them so maybe its only a bit further or even a lot further but the same time and effort by plane, making it more attractive for them to want to go to him, especially if the cost is not prohibitive to him. They will soon be able to think for themselves more and be open to travelling together on their own.

I would make sure your parents aren’t allowed to dwell on the worst about this scenario. It may turn out for the best if they can just keep an open mind, relax and have patience to see how it pans out. And not get depressed about it from their understandable anxiety that the new wife could be coercive.
If it turns out for the worst then there’s nothing you could have done to change that anyway. Just be there for him no matter what happens and let him know that you love him. Use face-time calls to have catch up chats and to meet his new wife and to congratulate them. Find something to like about her for now.

I would also try to maintain contact with his children and support your parents to do the same, with lots of offers to go and see them to take them out and lots of invites for fun things to do in the school holidays in Scotland.
Really hope it’s a good outcome all round.

KingfisherAmmonite · 16/07/2025 13:57

They've sold the ring. That's why he's blown up about it when your mum has said it's okay if you don't like it, I can take it back.

YourWildAmberSloth · 16/07/2025 14:13

Your brother stopped seeing his children every weekend when they were young, because he had no time to do anything for himself, and now they are older he has left them behind to live with a woman he barely knows? That does make him a bad father.

ginasevern · 16/07/2025 14:30

"For a time when they were younger he saw them every weekend to try to be more involved but it wasn't sustainable as he had no time to do anything for himself. "

Oh dear OP. Your brother's defence lies in tatters with just that one sentence.

SherlockStones · 16/07/2025 14:54

This will all end in tears for your brother and can't say he doesn't deserve it

You just have to let it play out

ExploringDreams · 16/07/2025 15:34

He’s spending all his time with her and it could be that she’s changing his perspective by highlighting every negative thing and ignoring the positive things about your family.
Do you have a family WhatsApp group? Set one up with him in it and say it’s because you all miss him and think this might be a good way to keep in touch then use it to keep him involved with family news, send nice links and just generally keep things positive and keep him connected.
Back off from all the feelings about him moving and about her. He’s a grown man who’s made his decision. Just keep the relationship going with him.

PassingStranger · 16/07/2025 16:58

Nothing you can do.

AlloaintheMiddle · 16/07/2025 17:50

Something sticks out.
The ex is toxic.
Does your DB have a form for getting into toxic relationships?

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