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To think Rachel Reeves patronised the public with her rhetoric on cash ISAs?!

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Hulabalu · 13/07/2025 19:09

I paraphrase but she said she wanted to cut the ‘cash’ ISA allowance from 20k to a fraction of that but allow people to still do the 20k stocks & shares ISA. She said something like she wanted “peoples hard earned money put to work in the stock market”.
She gave ZERO thought to people’s attitude to risk, that they might not want to risk their money in stock market.
She just wanted people investing in UK companies to boost economy. Not that people would have necessarily invested in Uk stocks.
Thankfully the banks etc stepped in and stopped her stupid plan
But I now can’t stand the woman! How dare she try to “sell” her plan to us and take us for fools 😡

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MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 17:40

pinotnow · 14/07/2025 17:39

She hasn't lied, she's just presented one reason for the idea that she thinks will most appeal to people. I don't know that she's denied the potential benefits to the economy has she? Why would she? There's nothing wrong or shameful about her as chancellor wanting to introduce strategies to grow the economy is there? That would benefit us all if that were to happen.

For long-term savings most people would be better off using stocks and shares ISAs, and people stamping their feet and saying, 'But I'm risk averse, how dare the government try to encourage me to do something that will most likely benefit both me as an individual and the country as a whole?' doesn't change that.

We have a family friend who tries to make out I'm some kind of over-privileged money-bags because she found out through our dc that mine have thousands in their trust fund and hers have around £350 each as she didn't put them in stocks and shares ISAs, despite the government leaflet advising that course of action because 'when you're poor you can't take any risks with money.' Bullshit. She's from the same kind of background as me and had access to the same info as me when she chose to out hers in the building society and wasn't in a position to add to it. Some people take great offence at being given any advice or information that doesn't fit into their existing world view and seem to get very angry about it, with the word patronising being very over-used in these situations. See also Brexit for the dangers of this attitude.

@MyNameIsX Did you feel your money was safe in the UK economy during the last government's tenure, under Truss?

YES.

By money - I mean cash, investments, assets - FX, you name it.

Alexandra2001 · 14/07/2025 17:43

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 17:39

You know, and we all know, Labour have a habit of ‘testing’ proposed policies with the public and markets, before firming them up.

Reeves u-turned on her proposed ISA reforms following a backlash.

How do you think lending banks felt about her plans???

Good, glad we have corrected the OP and her mis information, Reeves never said it did she?

Much like the reports that single person households would lose the council tax discount pre GE.... all made up.

The banks then campaigned on these reports, they of course benefit massively from the tax payer funded tax breaks we give people with very large ISA holdings.

How can anyone U-Turn on something that they haven't even announced????

You are just making things up now.

mylovedoesitgood · 14/07/2025 17:47

She’s done a u-turn, but if it eventually happens, then this is nothing to do with her wanting to grow the economy. She knows that most Cash ISA savers are risk averse and therefore have no inclination to put their five figure cash sums into S&S ISA’s and will instead put that money into savings accounts where the interest will be liable for tax.

Hulabalu · 14/07/2025 17:49

mylovedoesitgood · 14/07/2025 17:47

She’s done a u-turn, but if it eventually happens, then this is nothing to do with her wanting to grow the economy. She knows that most Cash ISA savers are risk averse and therefore have no inclination to put their five figure cash sums into S&S ISA’s and will instead put that money into savings accounts where the interest will be liable for tax.

Exactly !!! If you need to keep it in cash for some reason then you will and then interest would get taxed

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Hulabalu · 14/07/2025 17:50

Alexandra2001 · 14/07/2025 17:43

Good, glad we have corrected the OP and her mis information, Reeves never said it did she?

Much like the reports that single person households would lose the council tax discount pre GE.... all made up.

The banks then campaigned on these reports, they of course benefit massively from the tax payer funded tax breaks we give people with very large ISA holdings.

How can anyone U-Turn on something that they haven't even announced????

You are just making things up now.

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Whether she publicly announced it or leaked it to test responses she said it…
How naive can you be ?!

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MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 17:51

@Hulabalu

Certain posters have an axe to grind - regardless of reality.

miffmufferedmoof · 14/07/2025 17:52

I think people who are rich enough to save £20k each year (£40k if you’re a couple) don’t need tax relief on the interest

EasternStandard · 14/07/2025 17:52

Summerartwitch · 14/07/2025 17:13

I voted Labour and I think that Reeves is totally out of her depth as chancellor and is in fact a danger to the economy.

It has been one disastrous idea after another under her 'leadership'.

Starmer needs to get rid of her.

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He’s just as accountable. It’s probably why he hasn’t got rid of her, so far.

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 17:54

Reeves is a human shield.

She will be vulnerable on or around the October budget.

pinotnow · 14/07/2025 17:56

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 17:51

@Hulabalu

Certain posters have an axe to grind - regardless of reality.

Good to see some self-awareness.

mylovedoesitgood · 14/07/2025 17:58

miffmufferedmoof · 14/07/2025 17:52

I think people who are rich enough to save £20k each year (£40k if you’re a couple) don’t need tax relief on the interest

Suggesting that ISA savers can save £20k every year is a ridiculous stretch.

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:02

pinotnow · 14/07/2025 17:56

Good to see some self-awareness.

I am most definitely playing the ball, my friend.

Notreallyme27 · 14/07/2025 18:03

Nobody is being forced to invest in S&S ISAs. If you want the tax-free benefits you can take the risk. If you don’t, put your money in a bank account and pay a bit of tax on your interest instead.

If you’re potentially going to have to pay huge amounts of tax on your interest, you’re rich enough that you don’t need the UK taxpayer to fund your tax breaks.

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:12

Love the old green-eyed monster rearing its head.

All rather inevitable.

Sadcafe · 14/07/2025 18:15

We all have a right to decide how risk averse we are, not being given the option to gain the benefits of an isa without potentially risking the capital is, in my humble opinion, unacceptable

IthasYes · 14/07/2025 18:18

Oh reforms biggest recruiter has arrived..

@pinotnow
I invest and the ftse has done well actually but she's gone about this whole thing backwards

No one should be forced to put their money into one small slice of the stock market it's like making everyone buy from the Devon cheese company at your Xmas fair when in fact there is cheese there from all over the world

Educate us all on the markets, get rid of the crap maths syllabus for lowly maths s! tudents and teach investing properly.

As you said imagine if your relative and everyone like her had invested that money!
Having said that I'd be surprised if your dc was soley invested in the UK markets

mylovedoesitgood · 14/07/2025 18:19

Notreallyme27 · 14/07/2025 18:03

Nobody is being forced to invest in S&S ISAs. If you want the tax-free benefits you can take the risk. If you don’t, put your money in a bank account and pay a bit of tax on your interest instead.

If you’re potentially going to have to pay huge amounts of tax on your interest, you’re rich enough that you don’t need the UK taxpayer to fund your tax breaks.

Just remembered that instead of savings accounts where you’ll have to pay tax, Premium Bonds are an option, if you haven’t already maxed out your PBs holding. All those prizes are (happily) tax-free.

WestwardHo1 · 14/07/2025 18:19

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 04:30

Reeves is an over-promoted, cv-embellishing, self-pitying cry baby, who genuinely does not have a clue.

She only remains as Chancellor to be Starmer’s flak shield.

The October budget will probably prove the end of the hatchet-faced creature, however.

Despise her for her policies if you wish but "hatchet faced creature" says more about you than her.

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:22

WestwardHo1 · 14/07/2025 18:19

Despise her for her policies if you wish but "hatchet faced creature" says more about you than her.

Well, the good news is.

I absolutely stand behind it.

pinotnow · 14/07/2025 18:34

@IthasYes I don't think anyone is going to be forced to put their money anywhere, are they?

pinotnow · 14/07/2025 18:34

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:22

Well, the good news is.

I absolutely stand behind it.

Right. So what were you saying about playing the ball?

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:39

See the majority of my posts - firmly playing the ball.

Incidentally, when my last DD was born, my DH bought me a case of Krug. It’s ready now, but will keep for a few more years. As soon as this shower of shit are out of government, I shall honestly be breaking out a bottle.

Right, heading out for a run.

Laters!

WestwardHo1 · 14/07/2025 18:47

MyNameIsX · 14/07/2025 18:22

Well, the good news is.

I absolutely stand behind it.

Well I'm glad your face doesn't impact your ability to do a job.

Savage her ability by all means. God knows I'm no fan of hers. But being offensive about her looks cheapens your argument.

miffmufferedmoof · 14/07/2025 18:53

mylovedoesitgood · 14/07/2025 17:58

Suggesting that ISA savers can save £20k every year is a ridiculous stretch.

So you agree with me? That the £20k allowance is unnecessarily high?

Jennps · 14/07/2025 18:55

Rachel from Accounts has crashed economy and is now scrambling around for whatever way she can find to plug the hole. The Tories were disastrous, this shower of shite gives a whole new meaning to incompetent.

Not sure why people are complaining. You voted for this. Now enjoy sky high taxes, a tanking economy, higher unemployment, higher inflation.

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