Measles vaccination.

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Just heard the tragic news from Alder Hay children’s hospital . This post is not about this specific heartbreaking case as none of us no the reason for none vaccination. There are very specific circumstances where it is not advised or should be delayed .. (immunosuppressant, thrombocytopenia, allergy to Gelatine etc) .. but given the fact that MOST children do not fall into that category. What on earth reason can parents be thinking if not vaccinating against this serious, life threatening disease .. ? I worked in a developing country in the 90s with MSF.. administering this life saving vaccine. Each camp we worked in had a 100% take up from those children clinically advised to have it. Do we really need to see hundreds of kids suffer deafness, brain damage and death before parents stop believing nonsense on SM ..

Our average uptake is at a three year low for first dose . 88.9%. Way below the WHO target of 95%. The worst area is London at 82%. why ?

AIBU - I don’t want my child vaccinated
YANBU - Of course I do./Have

Either lack of intelligence or lack of care for their children.

I was born 77. My mother refused to sign the consent so my grandparents ( who had custody of me) could get me vaccinated. I had mumps as a child and at the age of 47 got diagnosed with autism and adhd. Unfortunately my mother died before I could tell her how wrong she was.

I did look it up. 1988 in the UK. Individual vaccines before that.

DS caught measles as a baby from an unvaccinated child of a friend who wasn’t yet showing symptoms (I also didn’t know they were unvaccinated).

It turned into pneumonia which is the most cause of measles related deaths. It was, frankly, terrifying. The risk of complications from measles is so much higher than any vaccination risk that I just can’t get my head around not doing it. I try to understand other people’s point of view but there is decades of research to back the MMR up.

Sorry if this has already been said but just wanted to make it clear there is a porcine gelatine free MMR vaccine available. Just in case anyone reads this post and thinks they can’t have it because of gelatine.

Well I was born in the 80s and my mum woyldn5 vaccinate me. My sister had her vaccinations as a baby and toddler. Or do you know more about my family history than me?

I know more about MMR than you. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5e021b9140f0b6665e80187b/Greenbook_chapter_21_Measles_December_2019.pdf

@Poohbear333. This kind of post makes me so cross. People forget that vaccines eradicated smallpox and Measles was almost eradicated in this country until people stopped vaccinating their children. The HPV vaccine has eradicated cervical cancer by 95% and is on track to eradicate it completely by 2040. I’m not saying that a very small minority have had side effects but it is by far better to vaccinate than not.

Great, here's your medal

I read this child was vaccinated but had other health issues?

Oh what proper studies are these? I’d love to read the science based evidence concluding the ingredients are indeed “harmful”.

Honestly I think the 2 main problems are non English speaking communities not understanding the schedule and secondly parents having to take time off work to take a child to be vaccinated. Not all parents can easily miss work then add in difficulties getting an appointment in the first place. I believe that the bringing forward of the 2nd MMR dose to 18months old will help uptake. It's also less traumatic for an 18 month old than a 3 yr old.

The amount of TikTok’s (I get bored and don’t have the energy for anything more intelligent after toddler bedtimes 🤣) of parents smugly stating “things I do as a parent others don’t agree with” .

First up is usually “no vaccinations because why would I poison my child?”

Usually followed by something like “they can have whatever sweets they want for breakfast” etc etc

A more creative person than me needs to think of different ways to get through and educate people because unintelligent people are influencing other unintelligent people and it’ll become it’s own pandemic.

Poor mite at Alder Hey 😢

There is more formaldehyde in a pear than there is in any vaccine.

better stop eating pears

It should be everyones personal choice. Some people believe the autism link or have other reasons that they believe what they believe.

FWIW I had measles as a baby and have endured a life of agonising pain! Whenever we fly it's like im being stabbed in the head, and for several hours afterwards too. Driving up hills (most recently in Yorkshire!), people's ears pop, i am stabbed in the head repeatedly until we get back low down and things settle again. If I get a simple cold, days before the other symptoms start, the pain in my ears start. And on top of this I have permanent tinnitus and acute hearing loss. My kids were 1st in line to get their vaccines as I didn't want to risk them suffering anything like this.....or worse!

I had mumps and German measles as a child. My mum had an issue with German measles and caught it 4 times, never built immunity, one of those led to her having one of first ever legal abortions in the country. She taught the whole family how important vaccinations were once they became available. Both of mine are fully vaccinated.

I think some of it is down to delusion arrogance and willful ignorance of some parents thinking they actually know better than many many many experts or that they're somehow beating the system if they don't adhere to vaccination programs. Many aren't willing to educate themselves or listen to experts but you tend to find these sorts of people pick and chose to believe what they think is exciting and sensational. Even to the extent they put their own children at risk. Underneath it all there's usually a lot of immaturity and plain stupidity.

In discussion many years ago with a friend who has not vaccinated, their argument was. We all had it as children in the 60s and we are fine, it's no big deal
Following on with a discussion about how many children die from measles, are left deaf, dumb or both or are brain damaged. It became clear as an intelligent person she was not fully informed about the risk it now posed.

I still find parents who have not vaccinated and our SEND school for profound and complex needs children has more unvaccinated children than vaccinated. Again because parents still underestimate the consequences.
When a child has a disease or a siblings comes down with one we have to go into Covid mode to isolate every child and staff member having contact with that child.

Still think it is down to an underestimation of the impact of these diseases.

I think the problem is that so many people haven't seen these effects - thanks to bloody vaccines! They think measles and other diseases are not serious because they no longer have to hear about people's children dying or being otherwise affected by measles, polio etc., either forgetting or ignoring the fact that this is precisely because of vaccines. Had they grown up with the side effects like you and me, and other kids in my street (only 18 houses but twin boys made infertile from mumps around the time measles ruined my eyesight), I don't think they would feel the same way.

MMR was 1988 - DC1 was born in 1985 and had single measles in 1986 when DC2 was a year old in 1988 the clinic vaccinated both of them with MMR (could do that then)

When the mmr came out is irrelevant to my original point that my sister was vaccinated and my Mum believed (and still does) that it caused her autism which is why I and my other siblings (born in the 80s) were not vaccinated. The biggest problem we have is social media these days spreading around mis information from so called influencers. Just look at the shite they spread around about sun cream causing cancer.

Agreed - some people believe in the tooth fairy and father Christmas but grow out of it. Others believe these is a link between mmr and autism and think they are intelligent adults.
Every time my DC's were due their vaccinations I worried whether I should take them even though as an hcp I knew it was the right and sensible thing to do. It is natural to worry about these things.

There was a big scare in the 70s particularly about the whooping cough vaccine. My doctor wouldn't give it to my son as he had eczema and that was rumoured to be a link. My doctor wanted to wait until more was known but in the meantime son got whooping cough.

The problem is though that by not vaccinating a child they are then putting younger children not yet eligible for the vaccination at risk, especially when their is an outbreak. So whilst people believe it is personal choice, it is also pretty selfish.

YANBU

It boggles my mind that some people don’t get their children vaccinated. Yes, the side effects of the vaccine can be unpleasant but that’s temporary.

My gran told me about children she grew up with who died of things like TB, measles, polio… she was so shocked and upset that some people don’t vaccinate. One of her children had brain damage due to a birth injury- total accident no one’s fault. To have people risk their kids being left that way due to measles or similar must have been hard to take. Back when she was still alive it seemed to mainly be the MMR that was the bone of contention but now there’s some that don’t take their children for any vaccines at all.