Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

[MidnightPatrol]

A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

There were huge risks to the covid vaccines, they have caused vaccine injuries and deaths, and those were still given. I’m not an anti vaxxer (other than covid which no one in my house will ever be vaccinated against) but shutting down peoples concerns and questions won’t make them more keen to vaccinate. Perhaps explaining why we give the MMR all at once might be more helpful?

Personally I think unless there are valid medical reasons the child can't be vaccinated they shouldn't be allowed access to public funded childcare or schooling.

Eight billion Covid vaccines have been given. There have been 55 cases of death after Covid vaccination reported and a causal relationship has been excluded in 17 cases. In the remaining cases, the causal link between the vaccine and the death was not specified (8) or considered possible (15), probable (1), or very probable/demonstrated (14).

Don’t you ask for explanations and detail and apply critical thinking and more than one opinion before blindly following the advice though? I’d research what was in a vaccine, why we receive it, what the benefits are etc before taking it and ask a few different healthcare experts for their thoughts. Just like I’d ask a few different lawyers for their opinion, get my mechanic to explain the repairs needed, discuss a treatment plan with my vet and ensure I understood it.

I don’t agree with people not vaccinating but I don’t agree with blindly following “expert” advice either; people are much more likely to comply with something if they have a clear understanding of why it’s happening, and also there will always be experts who are pushing an agenda, trying to make more money (in the case of lawyers, mechanics, etc) or are just bad at their job!

The vaccine science is complex but not beyond someone of average intellect if explained well.

I think some lessons from the past do need to be learned again tbh.

In many other European countries as well. France I know for sure.

Everyone should apply critical thinking - unfortunately many don’t know how to.

There was plenty of good straightforward information produced at the time of the pandemic but too many preferred to rely on inaccurate TickTock/Facebook.

Is that according to the same people who listed my friend’s Dad as a covid death when he had cancer and tested negative the morning he died?

I’m usually about as far from a conspiracy theorist as a person can be, but you’ll never convince me that every single covid and covid vaccine statistic isn’t hugely manipulated.

I'm sure there was an outbreak in the USA somewhere- maybe whooping cough??

Anyway even when the child died the parents blamed the hospital.

And still didn't change the Anti-vax mindset

I agree with those saying that unvaccinated children without a medical reason shouldn't be allowed to attend nurseries/schools.

My son had cancer last year and chemotherapy treated his cancer successfully but completely wiped out his immune system. It was terrifying as he got multiple infections but thankfully nothing like measles or anything vaccine preventable.

He couldn't get revaccinated until he had been in remission for 6 months and I was counting down till that date. He's now thankfully fully vaccinated again including MMR.

I remember someone at university becoming sterile due to a mumps outbreak there. Obviously wasn’t life threatening but would have a big impact on his life.

We should do this in the UK too

Thankfully where we live 97% of children follow the usual vaccine schedule. Where I grew up children catching measles was fairly common, as was death and severe disability, the same with polio.

Our son has a physical disability and a hearing impairment due to meningitis, he is young enough that he should have been protected by the men B vaccine, but his birth mother decided he didn’t need vaccination. He could have very easily died, or suffered more severe symptoms.

I agree. I think with covid most rational people can accept that the truth falls somewhere between the TikTok conspiracies and the Government information communicated to us. I think covid can be a deadly disease and that for some people that vaccine has probably saved their lives. I also think many deaths were ascribed to covid that shouldn’t have been and that for otherwise young healthy people the vaccine can be a risk. Everyone has to weigh up their own thoughts on that.

Older vaccines with decades of evidence supporting them, I am more than happy to have my entire family vaccinated and as a teacher I do feel that the MMR at least should be compulsory for school entry.

I think some people can't distinguish between an actual expert and someone on YouTube who says they are.

Then take that lack of critical thinking and inject it with someone telling them there is a conspiracy and the doctors are all in on it (which would be impressive. 100% take up of defrauding the public!)

I agree with you but I think people go down a spiral of a) not being able to identify an expert and then b) not trusting them.

People are 100% losing trust in medical care. I think some of that is social media and conspiracy bias but a lot of it is also a chronically underfunded and struggling health service. It’s hard for people to believe the health professionals have peoples best interests at heart when appointments are scarce and rushed, waiting lists are endless, mistakes are made and diagnostic opportunities are missed due to lack of time etc. Obviously that’s a Government issue and not the fault of the people working in healthcare but it definitely helps spread mistrust.

I have very strong opinions of this
no state education systems for anyone who chooses not to vaccinate ( not those who can not because of medical reasons )

I will also go as far as if a child who was not vaccinated due to parent choices and gets very sick or dies of a preventable disease then the parents should be held accountable for their injury / death.

I know I'm no doctor or expert in vaccines that's why the kids have had them all but it was just a pause for thought. No I don't believe they cause autism (my mum does)

As I said though our bodies probably come into contact with hundreds or germs and virus when out and about and our immune systems fight them off. So on balance the multiple vaccines are nothing in comparison. I would rather vaccinate than my child get whatever we vaccinated from.

Currently saving for chicken pox for 3 if the kids 2s already had it.

They should also link child benefit to it.

It’s strange how you have taken one unconfirmed situation with your husband as fact over the evidence of millions of children who are vaccinated across the world every day. There isn’t a shred of evidence that multiple vaccines are a problem. The effect on the immune system is negligible compared to the daily barrage of things a child is exposed to.

Flip the narrative, if a babies’ immunity is so poor it cannot cope with this pressure on the immune system from vaccines, imagine how it would fair against a full blown dose of whooping cough.

i strongly agree with the previous poser. Can’t see it happening though.

I meant @Finteq quoting @Ineedmorewine03

Where are the statistics that the vaccine is dangerous to young healthy people? 13.72 billion doses given in the world to date, if there was something that caused a problem, wouldn’t it be far more obvious? You’d have to be deep in to conspiracies to think every world Government could keep that hidden.

Low uptake may not just be because of anti-vaxxers. Some people seem unable to do basic life skills and organisation. Much as it is sad if it is necessary, perhaps denying people certain services without vaccination would be effective.

Yellow fever also made me very unwell. It’s not a fair comparison.

I have a friend who was very unwell in her 20s, turned out her immune system was poor. So when she was better they regave her all the childhood vaccinations to help rebuild her immune system. She was fine with it.