This is it - climate change is really beginning to bite

[Wowwee1234]

We know the climate is changing and it is us. This particular heat wave feels like the next step up after a winter of devastating storms.

YABU - It's just too hot
YANBU - This is the taste of things to come.

I am saying it's too late. We probably haven't yet reached the point of no return but it is so perilously close that we won't be able to turn things around in time to avert the danger.

Individual actions have always been a piss in the ocean. For as long as our economy, and the global economy, are based on perpetual growth, we are fucked. If you want people to stop flying then target the airline industry to stop producing aircraft and scheduling flights. If you want to stop people from driving SUVs then target the car manufacturers to stop producing them. If you want to stop people buying roses from Kenya then target the government to ban their import. Even then, this is tinkering around the edges. The changes we actually need to make are so drastic, on such a short time scale, that no country is going there voluntarily.

Even if we somehow managed to avert the worst of climate change by pulling together as a planet and finding different ways of fueling the destruction, we still need things like soil, biodiversity, healthy rivers, oceans, forests, grasslands, wetlands ... climate change is not the only environmental crisis we are facing. For as long as the destruction continues we're still fucked. And it will continue because it has been a continuous process since the neolithic. We have not lived sustainably since we invented agriculture, adopted a settled lifestyle and began to accumulate wealth.

Maybe all is not lost and one day humans will live sustainably on this planet again but there will be far, far fewer of us and I can see no way of getting there that is not thoroughly dystopian.

Well life will carry on (just without us) until we reach a similar atmosphere to the one on Mars... or that's where we are headed anyway!

Too late ? What sort of talk is that. Our species didn't get where it is today by saying "It's too late" about everything.

However until the narrative shifts (no sign of that in the past half century) then the effects of the climate changing will continue to have a negative impact on human existence. And in case the really thick haven't yet got the message, nobody cares about humans. Not even humans. If anyones plan is to wait for a god or two to fix things, I have some bridges for sale.

Earths atmosphere is an artificial creation of life. So far unique in the universe to the best of our knowledge/

Our species didn't get where it is today by saying "It's too late" about everything.

No, we got here by pretending everything was fine for far too long.

It’s summer, it’s meant to be hot

It would be the end of this country if temperatures were as consistently hot here as they get in parts of mainland Europe and the US. They have the issue right on their doorstep.

Climate change is obvious a real disaster happening right now, but jesus the amount of whinging in this country when it gets slightly hot. It's pathetic.

Follow the money. Who's benefitting from all this fear and global warming "action"? Is there much happening in the African Continent?

Surely someone knows.

Your flat is built to retain heat, hence why it's unbearably hot. If your flat had AC installed, it'd be fine.

Already some farmers are looking at losing a fucktonne of money.

https://www.farminguk.com/news/over-80-of-farmers-fear-for-future-due-to-extreme-weather_66828.html

Mars atmosphere has 95% carbon dioxide, the rest is similar to earth. So we really aren't far off creating our own Mars atmosphere.

It's clearly a real issue for some. It's the people who, like clockwork every year, cry when it gets a bit hot that I'm over. Whinges.

And what’s your justification for that claim?

Are you aware of the housing crisis in the U.K., also caused by overpopulation and the greed of those who had money 20 odd years ago?

You’ve just made the same-old justification for your greed and fecklessness that sadly I’ve heard many many times before from landlords and the like.

Do you mean is climate change coming to Africa? Yes. A quick google would tell you about climate refugees.

Very weak.

I think the atmospheric pressure is less

I'd have to admit I have limited patience for farmers. People who cut their own feet off and then complain about not being able to find the right shoes tend to have that effect.

However, localised and current snafus aside, if we don't have farmers we can all go back to hunter gathering. Which some could manage, although it would make life (even more) nasty, brutish and short ...

I was just reading about irrigation ban for some farmers. I definitely have sympathy for them. It’s as if we don’t want any food production to remain. Taxes etc

I don't know where you live, but in Lancs we have had 2 hot, sunny days, forecast to cool down and rain tomorrow or Monday. I do believe the climate is changing but some of the comments are well over the top. It is summer, we haven't had a hot summer here since 2020, and the only way we could tell it was symmer since then was that the rain was a bit warmer. We are enjoying the warmth before it changes again tomorrow.

if we don't have farmers we can all go back to hunter gathering

No we can't all do that. Google reckons around 10 million of us could. Of course we'd have to get all the rest of the 8.2bn people out of the way first.

We haven’t had a summer like this since 1976 yet this is now an annual event

It is beyond embarrassing that the Egyptians (and possibly others before them) nailed water management millennia ago.

I write as someone who enjoys the lovely supply of water guaranteed to Birmingham because a bunch of idiots thought we might need it in the future and made it happen. And I do give thanks to the people of Elan for it. And the engineers who ran the aqueduct from there to here/

It’s called summer ! Stop being dramatic 🙄

It has been changing for decades, but now it’s rapidly accelerating, so I presume more people are noticing it. Such a shame that they aren’t changing their ways tho.
I’ve been banging the climate crisis drum since Covid, when the planet’s CO2 emissions noticeably dropped, but now it’s just one extreme event after another. The last heatwave there were 100’s excess deaths and this will continue. We are solely responsible and watching it being destroyed is heartbreaking and terrifying in equal measures.

The average summer temperature for the NW is 20C. Today was 28C. We are in so, so much trouble. Animals, wildlife, the very young, old and vulnerable are all going to suffer. This is not good news at all. 🥲