AIBU to say that graduation ceremonies are not the place to make political statements?

[anythingbutlillies]

Hard hat on.

DC's graduation today. Fabulous day, but it did not sit well with me that a few chose to unfurl a flag / raise a scarf while they were on the stage.
Just no! So very selfish.

Interested to hear if I am being precious?

That’s not what I meant at all. What I was trying to say is that the people who chose to display flags were holding Palestinian flags -no one brought out a Ukrainian flag or the flag of any other oppressed nation. I think you understood my point, but it seems like you're intentionally twisting it to make it sound unreasonable.

They mean of the ones who pulled out flags, they all happened to be Palestinian flags. Not hard to understand is it?

So what exactly did you expect Israel to do after Hamas crossed the border into their country and butchered civilians? Sit back, do nothing and await the next attack?

Glad someone finally mentioned the civilian hostages, the taking of which (let alone their use as a negotiating tool) is a heinous war crime. I presume the students were wearing a yellow ribbon?

The Ukranians are managing to defend themselves without committing war crimes and genocide. Why are IDF soldiers firing on people queueing for aid? That isn't self-defence.

Hamas are homicidal, genocidal anti-semitic terrorists. They have been a disaster for Gazans. However, I expect the army of a first world country like Israel who call themselves 'the most moral army in the world' to have higher standards than a group of terrorists.

At one of my kids graduations two weeping mothers collected their dead children's certificates. Road accident on holiday after exams and before graduation. To be honest I can't really worry about the odd flag.

Well I didn't expect them to murder children, starve babies or shoot escaped hostages.

Well it's a free country. No one got hurt.

Maybe try releasing the hostages 🤷🏼‍♂️

Every death in Gaza is the responsibility of Hamas, it's really not that complicated.

So, in your opinion, the IDF can slaughter children in Gaza with total inpunity? You can just shrug your shoulders and think it's no big deal.

Difficult to engage with someone who uses phrases like 'slaughter children'. Perhaps ask why the Hamas cowards embed themselves in schools, hospitals etc.? The only entity which loves dead Palestinians is Hamas.

Oh I think that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich probably love dead Palestinians.

Insane that mumsnet have deleted my post. Are we not allowed to make factually accurate statements about what's happening in Gaza now?

It's a fact that 50,000 children have been killed and injured by the IDF. It's a fact that Israel Katz has announced plans for a concentration camp. And no, that's not me putting words into his mouth. He specifically, himself, announced a plan to concentrate Palestinians in a camp in Rafah from which they will not be allowed to leave. His words, not mine.

Can we have some clarification mumsnet? Why aren't we allowed to post facts on this site? What your policy on factually accurate statements about the conflict in Gaza?

What phrase should we use when the IDF kills children? What's a palatable choice for you?

It’s exactly the right place for it. It was their ceremony, not yours. You want it all to be ‘lovely’ and ‘joyous’; they have something they want to say.

Children are being slaughtered though, are you denying that??

Human shields of a despicable organisation that started this war?

If you find the phrase 'slaughtering children' unpalatable, what phrase would you prefer? Collective punishment? Collateral damage?

Jesus, maybe watch the news once in a while. If a few students holding up flags during their graduation bothers you more than the senseless butchering and starvation of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom are tiny children, then you could do with reflecting.

Think yourself lucky that you were able to watch your precious darling graduate without experiencing a fraction of the terror, desperation and pain that a Palestinian mum must feel at the moment, not knowing if her children will be obliterated any moment, starve to death, or be left orphaned amongst the rubble.

Good on those students. At least they are trying to do something, rather than sit there comfortably pursing their lips at peaceful protest FFS.

So it's fine for countries to kill children by the thousand as long as another country started the conflict? Does that mean Ukraine can indiscriminately bomb Russian schools and hospitals? Or is it only Arab children who are fit to be casualties of war?

Do the children's lives not matter to you at all? Are you comfortable with their deaths because Hamas did something evil?

If every Palestinian child is murdered, is that ok because of Hamas? There are babies starving to death in Gaza as we speak because Israel has blocked humanitarian aid from entering the country and they have no formula. Do you feel ok with that because it's retribution for Hamas?

How many is too many for you? Or are you happy for every single child in Palestine to die because you can call them human shields and shrug your shoulders and pretend they're not human?

I mean if this is your thought process, may as well never discuss anything..

You do realise that there are people in Gaza with food? There are cafes and restaurants open and advertising there delicious Nutella soaked crepes. The situation is absolutely dire, but there is not mass starvation (it’s vile that these points have to even be debated but here we are). Hamas is regularly killing and torturing Gazans for stealing aid. Hamas are shooting at people at aid sites to stop people getting free aid (I know you won’t believe that but someone else might). If people get free aid then Hamas lose an income stream.

By international laws, if Russia used schools & hospitals as military sites then yes Ukraine could target them. If Russia didn’t remove civilians first then they are as evil as Hamas.

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Blood libel, delightful