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Resilience workshops in primary

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Sparklybutold · 08/07/2025 16:03

Has anyone any info on these in practice? We've had some wishy washy notification that yo yos can be purchased for £8, 10 or 13 quid! I did jokingly ask what the heck the yo yos were made of? Can't help but feel the cost off the courses is being subbed by the purchase of yo yos?

I find this particularly cutting when both of my kids are ND and I'm currently going through tribunal with the eldest. Are these classes actually fit for purpose or are they another shite government initiative with zero substance.

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Wasitabadger · 08/07/2025 22:46

Kirbert2 · 08/07/2025 22:00

As I've already said, my child doesn't need resilience training. He already is incredibly resilient after everything he has been through.

He could lead a resilience workshop.

Thank you for your post, I completely agree with you. I am sorry to read though that your child has had to have experienced trauma.

healthyteeth · 08/07/2025 23:56

Jabberwok · 08/07/2025 21:21

Jesus that makes bleak reading.

Indeed.

How sad.

Kleya25 · 09/07/2025 07:18

This is also a thing in the NHS right now - never mind getting us enough staff to, you know, support patients, or dealing with endemic bullying and lousy HR who don't know their backsides from their elbows, let alone employment law, let's have resilience sessions in which we apply gaslighting principles to make you leave the poor ickle bullies alone. The yo yos are a whole new set of nonsense though, do they make the tea for that price?!

HereBeFuckery · 09/07/2025 07:27

Resilience in students is incredibly, insanely low. Not just emotional resilience, but the skills to be able to accept being wrong and making mistakes, the resilience to write a whole paragraph without bellyaching, the resilience to do homework, the resilience to not use the toilet once an hour… Don’t get me started on the resilience to deal with normal things like friendship ups and downs, crowded corridors, loud lesson bells. We are at record breaking levels of adjustments because, if you boil down about 80% of the reasons given: my child feels mildly uncomfortable.

napody · 09/07/2025 07:55

WiseFinch · 08/07/2025 21:20

Just hopping on to say this isn’t a new thing. I’m in my 20s and I remember the YoYo man from primary school. I remember it the most as I took £10 from my mums purse to buy one (and got a hiding!!!!!!) The guy was called Ned.

Oh my goodness I am not 100% sure we didn't have someone in to flog yoyos in my school too- 35ish years ago!

Who are these people.... who IS Ned?! 😂

GabriellaMontez · 09/07/2025 08:05

PonyPatter44 · 08/07/2025 20:34

I think helping children to build resilience is really important- not entirely sure how yoyos fit into it though. Resilience doesn't mean suck it up and say nothing, either, and the PP suggesting that is frankly wrong. Resilience is about learning to cope with problems that life throws at you. Children have got to learn to cope with problems, otherwise you get adults who fall apart at the slightest thing.

That's what Resilience should mean.

Increasingly, it's used as an excuse for whatever poor treatment a person, or school is delivering.

napody · 09/07/2025 08:15

Honon · 08/07/2025 21:06

I agree kids need resilience but I am unconvinced it can be taught in a workshop and can't find any evidence this works.

And lots of evidence that whole class interventions DON'T work, or can be harmful.

Look up Dr Lucy Foulkes at Oxford.

The recent Wellbeing in Schools trial found that some interventions increased help-seeking behaviours in children (a good thing provided there's help to be sought) but none directly improved resilience or emotional problems.

Whatafustercluck · 09/07/2025 08:26

Sparklybutold · 08/07/2025 21:28

@PolyVagalNerveand here within lies the problem within this approach

‘More emotional regulation skills, does not equate to being able to become more resilient’. Ones ability to cope doesn't exist on a nice even line between x and y. Peoples lives and stressors are in constant flux and having a drawer full of emotional regulation skills isn't going to somehow magic this all away. For example... Depression - for someone who is literally in there darkest pits will not become not depressed because of having knowledge of emotional regulation skills. It is yet another one size fits for all approach, which renders itself ineffective or at its worse, actively shames and damages people.

You talk about the kid not able to cope with their environment, most well known example would be someone who is autistic. This is a recognised developmental condition that you can't just will yourself out off. No amount of resilience training will change how this person experiences there world. This is one of many problems with this approach, its far too simplistic and damaging.

Your second paragraph is a sweeping generalisation. My 8yo dd is autistic. She most definitely benefits from resilience coaching, but in her case it revolves around us focusing her attention on the things she very much can have control over. We agree Plan Bs with her which are gradually having the effect of helping her realise that she can do things she once thought impossible, providing she has a fall back plan (a safety net) for when she feels totally overwhelmed - and that that's ok and preferable to her just giving up immediately. The more she overcomes, the more she realises she's capable of and that things aren't as scary as she thinks, the more she's willing to push herself a little more, the more she finds life easier because she has been armed with coping mechanisms. It becomes a virtuous circle. Yes, we have to work harder at it with her than parents of NT children do. However, the difference in her in the space of two years is immense. And that is because we have worked hand in glove with her school and teachers, following an ehcp needs assessment, to understand her better and apply the right strategies. So I do agree with you that a whole school (whole life) approach, rather than gimmicks, is the key to better outcomes.

Yo-yos are a gimmick, I agree. I've no idea what the actual content of the resilience workshops is to gauge whether it's worthwhile or not. Do you know? Much of our approach has been self learned, with some CAMHS one to one support thrown in. But the basis is always the same - enabling her to experience new things, with a back up plan in place. She's still allowed to say "no, I absolutely don't believe I can do that" and we move on, return to it another time. And there are still the inevitable meltdowns, but they are far fewer.

Appreciate my dd is just one autistic child, and this won't work for all autistic children - or indeed the plethora of other SEN needs, personalities etc. But there are a good number for whom it will benefit.

GabriellaMontez · 09/07/2025 08:30

napody · 09/07/2025 08:15

And lots of evidence that whole class interventions DON'T work, or can be harmful.

Look up Dr Lucy Foulkes at Oxford.

The recent Wellbeing in Schools trial found that some interventions increased help-seeking behaviours in children (a good thing provided there's help to be sought) but none directly improved resilience or emotional problems.

Im not at all surprised to read this.

Resilience grows from a lifetime of having it modelled to us by family and teachers. Who also support and encourage us as individuals when we face challenges.

It can no more be taught in 4 x 30 minute sessions than you would teach someone to 'be kind and compassionate in half a term'.

HereBeFuckery · 09/07/2025 17:13

Sparklybutold · 08/07/2025 21:13

The skills you mention are important but they also assume that everything else is equal/running smoothly. Your final comment demonstrates your misunderstanding and/or ignorance of the importance of this balance and how overall well-being is determined by a host of other and interconnecting factors far exceeding someones resilience.

Your post demonstrates misunderstanding of how important education is. If you’re not in lessons, you are exceedingly unlikely to achieve your academic potential. That will lead to, most likely, poverty. Which will exacerbate (if not give rise to new) mental health challenges. If your expectation is that a child should spend as much time as they like in a supportive/pastoral/counselling/well being focused setting and not in lessons, fine. Do not expect them to ever be financially independent. Expect them to then be in a spiral of self doubt and lack of personal fulfilment. I see multiple students, every day, who spend a significant majority of their lesson time not in lessons, because they aren’t happy, because they are anxious, because they have friendship issues etc. Those students are academically behind and some will never catch up now. I don’t just mean ‘won’t get grade 9’, I mean functionally illiterate.

BruFord · 09/07/2025 17:20

Support structures have shifted massively with many not getting the same level of support as there parents did.

@Sparklybutold Slightly off topic, but what support structures were available for previous generations? I don’t remember anything much (I’m 50) and they certainly weren’t around for even older people.

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