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To be utterly despondent about AI

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AnotherGreyMorning · 06/07/2025 13:41

and our future?

Jobs becoming obsolete. People unable to earn a living.

Villains harnessing for their own ends.

It will all move far too fast and at sophisticated levels for even the most dedicated to manage.

Governments will be stunned by it. People will really suffer.

I just feel quiet dread because whilst life will be great for the wealthy and those who are protected, for the vast majority, I think it will be hellish.

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NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:20

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:14

AI is not going to replace jobs en masse, people who know how to use AI will replace people who don't. So maybe you should learn to use it instead of complaining about it, because it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.

People complained about massive job loss with every technological innovation and it's not happened. Maybe short term job loss, but always with long term job creation and economic growth. We all have to grow and evolve on a daily basis, many of us have to learn new skills on a regularlt to remain relevant and good at our jobs. How is this any different?

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On a regular basis *

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:24

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 26/11/2025 23:19

No, AI will be able to develop itself. It won’t need someone to do it.

Are you an AI expert? Do you know how AI works? AI cannot replace experience, it simply simulates intelligence by processing data. You're acting like it's the rise of the cylons here.

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:52

MistressoftheDarkSide · 26/11/2025 09:34

What I find chilling is indeed the smugness of those "au fait" with AI as it currently stands, and their failure or unwillingness to look beyond their own little bubble.

There's going to be a point where they might not be "working with AI" but being worked BY AI. We simply do not know wherethis is all going in terms of the future capabilities and potential sophistication of the technology. Nor do we fully know or appreciate the motivations of those invested in driving its implementation with such zeal.

Obviously money is the most obvious one, but some of the tech bros out there holding the reins and the lucrative deals have incredibly suspect ideologies.

There is also the question of whether it is ethical to essentially turn anyone using the Internet, which we have been forced to depend on, into lab rats for an unprecedented experiment that is already having deep psychological impacts, such as documented cases of AI induced psychosis.

But as long as it works for those who embrace it, who cares apparently. Sod the collateral damage eh ?

Anybody who refuses to embrace technological innovation gets left behind, it's always been that way. Why are you so incapable of learning a new skill and why shouldn't someone who is, replace you? I retrained for the job I have now. I upskill every single day to get better and learn more. During my work day, if I'm not working on delivering something I'm learning something new. Why should those who do nothing just keep their jobs indefinitely? I don't see why any employer would want to keep someone like that, regardless of whether or not AI was in the picture.

GarlicMetre · 27/11/2025 01:58

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:24

Are you an AI expert? Do you know how AI works? AI cannot replace experience, it simply simulates intelligence by processing data. You're acting like it's the rise of the cylons here.

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Of course AIs can replace experience. They can process billions of experiences, apply context and make an appropriate decision. Some are a bit flaky on that right now, others are good in a specialised field. They'll continue to get better very fast.

"Simply simulates intelligence by processing data". That's what intelligence is! The intelligent mind acquires knowledge, applies it and experiments with it. AIs do all that. I agree they don't yet reason very well. They will: reason is a synthesis of knowledge.

I have no capabilities - including my creative work - that machines couldn't have, other than bodily experiences. They aren't doing everything I do because such development isn't currently economic. They'll teach themselves to be creative in the arts, though, as they already have done in maths and some medical fields.

Have you ever tasked the AI you use so expertly to estimate when an AI will be able to completely replace you?

Rosduk · 27/11/2025 06:53

tripleginandtonic · 06/07/2025 14:41

That makes no sense whatsoever.How can AI run a warehouse?

I recently did a cider factory tour, the enormous warehouse has a rail network of robot run forklifts that sort hundred and thousands of cans of cider into the stacks to go to the major retailers, it also wraps them and loads them on to pallets, I didn’t see one human! The factory is also all robots. 6 engineers run the 2 sites, 2 of which attend from elsewhere when needed- they can produce 30k cans an hour!! It’s so efficient the factory closes as the 4 engineers work office hours mon- Fri! Of course I assume they have cleaners in at night, but the factory line is all robots.

There are lots of other staff on the old site working on vintage ciders, in the orchards etc but the new site was seriously impressive but also shocking!

IcedPurple · 27/11/2025 08:01

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:14

AI is not going to replace jobs en masse, people who know how to use AI will replace people who don't. So maybe you should learn to use it instead of complaining about it, because it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.

People complained about massive job loss with every technological innovation and it's not happened. Maybe short term job loss, but always with long term job creation and economic growth. We all have to grow and evolve on a daily basis, many of us have to learn new skills on a regularlt to remain relevant and good at our jobs. How is this any different?

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AI is going to replace jobs en masse. It's already happening.

I'm not 'complaining' about anything. I'm simply pointing out the reality.

You and others have spoken about all these 'new jobs which are going to be created'. Can you give examples? Since AI can already do the work of several humans and is improving all the time, there will need to be a lot of 'new jobs' to come anything close to replacing those which will be lost. Where exactly do you think these jobs will be found?

Superhansrantowindsor · 27/11/2025 08:15

I’m worried about job losses. It’s already happening.
I also worry about political misinformation being generated that is so convincing and how criminals will use AI.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 27/11/2025 08:17

Iced rule. Completely agree. As some one whose daughter is a creative I've seen amazing people only a decade over with amazing talent and a successful business and experience having to retrain as teachers or take low paid jobs. One's a nail tech She is an amazing artist. Wasted in that industry as she has no time to do nail art. The Salon just wants basic in out money money money.

Eventually there will be a tipping point when no one can afford a nail tech or a plumber or a carpenter.

Then they are affected too.

IcedPurple · 27/11/2025 08:39

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 27/11/2025 08:17

Iced rule. Completely agree. As some one whose daughter is a creative I've seen amazing people only a decade over with amazing talent and a successful business and experience having to retrain as teachers or take low paid jobs. One's a nail tech She is an amazing artist. Wasted in that industry as she has no time to do nail art. The Salon just wants basic in out money money money.

Eventually there will be a tipping point when no one can afford a nail tech or a plumber or a carpenter.

Then they are affected too.

I guess your daughter just needs to 'embrace' AI a bit more.🙁

TheLudditesWereRight · 27/11/2025 09:07

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:52

Anybody who refuses to embrace technological innovation gets left behind, it's always been that way. Why are you so incapable of learning a new skill and why shouldn't someone who is, replace you? I retrained for the job I have now. I upskill every single day to get better and learn more. During my work day, if I'm not working on delivering something I'm learning something new. Why should those who do nothing just keep their jobs indefinitely? I don't see why any employer would want to keep someone like that, regardless of whether or not AI was in the picture.

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Survival bias. History is littered with technical innovations that turned out to be crap and got dropped. Research from MIT shows 95% of AI-led workplace projects are failing, not to mention the vast financial bubble that shows signs of popping. In my sector people are using their AI-free status as a USP.

BadWoIf · 27/11/2025 20:42

NoKidsSendDogs · 26/11/2025 23:24

Are you an AI expert? Do you know how AI works? AI cannot replace experience, it simply simulates intelligence by processing data. You're acting like it's the rise of the cylons here.

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It may not do so yet, but surely that's what AGI and especially ASI will be doing, if they succeed? I'm not sure that you'll be in the picture for very long once that happens.

NoKidsSendDogs · 27/11/2025 20:48

BadWoIf · 27/11/2025 20:42

It may not do so yet, but surely that's what AGI and especially ASI will be doing, if they succeed? I'm not sure that you'll be in the picture for very long once that happens.

I'll be fine, thanks 😊

MistressoftheDarkSide · 27/11/2025 21:50

If anyone really wants their melon twisted, I've just come across a YouTube video by Loey Lane, who delves into the weirder side of Tik Tok etc, and it's about what can be best desribed as an ARG (alternate reality "game") where a real guy is documenting his alleged experience working for a company that is entirely run by AI.

Obviously I stress this is fictional, however, this concept is remarkably believable - the "company" is called "Brainrot Research" and if you have an ounce of imagination, you'll see where I'm coming from.

I refuse to downliad TikTok on principle, bit the clips Loey is showing are quite fascinating and somewhat chilling.....

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 27/11/2025 23:20

Slightly off topic on jobs but I keep getting a really disturbing advert while playing a game I play on my phone. It's just a puzzle game. Nothing weird

Anyway the advert is alarming. Features young AI generated girls they are very realistic but have that too perfect AI look.
They are approx 16 yo looks wise Very young and dancing very sexually and sitting with legs apart. It's outrageous.

This is very worrisome for the future as they are not real so are the advertisers subject to any rules and regulations there? A whole new can of worms.

NoKidsSendDogs · 28/11/2025 01:56

IcedPurple · 27/11/2025 08:01

AI is going to replace jobs en masse. It's already happening.

I'm not 'complaining' about anything. I'm simply pointing out the reality.

You and others have spoken about all these 'new jobs which are going to be created'. Can you give examples? Since AI can already do the work of several humans and is improving all the time, there will need to be a lot of 'new jobs' to come anything close to replacing those which will be lost. Where exactly do you think these jobs will be found?

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/09/jobs-ai-will-create/

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/05/jobs-ai-cant-replace/

These are the jobs that AI can’t replace

AI can’t replace every role. The highest job growth in 2023-2027 is expected to be in agriculture, lorry driving and education, says the World Economic Forum.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/05/jobs-ai-cant-replace/

IcedPurple · 28/11/2025 08:08

Yet.

But that's still not an answer to my question. There may be some jobs that AI can't currently replace. But that is not what I asked. I asked what new jobs are going to be 'created' by AI. Because I can't imagine it will come anywhere close to the jobs which will be and are being lost.

TheLudditesWereRight · 28/11/2025 08:59

Also the quality of jobs. Babysitting a machine and trying to infuse quality into shitty AI slop stolen from my own IP, rather than just do the job properly myself? Fuck no.

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 09:03

I think AI used well within a prosperous economy is hugely beneficial, as it allows people to be more efficient and achieve more. In a weak economy it will be used to replace jobs, leading to unemployment.

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 09:04

TheLudditesWereRight · 28/11/2025 08:59

Also the quality of jobs. Babysitting a machine and trying to infuse quality into shitty AI slop stolen from my own IP, rather than just do the job properly myself? Fuck no.

The IP aspect is really interesting. I’m not at all convinced that AI can be made to comply with IP law, and if some AI companies try to and others don’t then the ones that don’t will steal market share.

TheLudditesWereRight · 28/11/2025 15:08

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 09:03

I think AI used well within a prosperous economy is hugely beneficial, as it allows people to be more efficient and achieve more. In a weak economy it will be used to replace jobs, leading to unemployment.

It[s not hugely beneficial if it leads to a massive market crash not seen since the heady days of tulip fever while destroying the environment by using as much electricity as India.

NoKidsSendDogs · 28/11/2025 16:05

IcedPurple · 28/11/2025 08:08

Yet.

But that's still not an answer to my question. There may be some jobs that AI can't currently replace. But that is not what I asked. I asked what new jobs are going to be 'created' by AI. Because I can't imagine it will come anywhere close to the jobs which will be and are being lost.

The first link specifically has a list of jobs AI will create. It took me all of 2 seconds to google. If you're so worried, do some research yourself.

IcedPurple · 28/11/2025 16:33

NoKidsSendDogs · 28/11/2025 16:05

The first link specifically has a list of jobs AI will create. It took me all of 2 seconds to google. If you're so worried, do some research yourself.

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I'm not sure why you're being so combative, but there is no 'list'. It's an article from two years ago, which is a long time in the world of AI. It's also only referring to LLM's, not the entirety of AI.

A handful of new tech jobs aren't going to come anywhere close to replacing the jobs that will be lost due to AI.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 01/12/2025 23:15

Interesting article mistress.

IcedPurple · 02/12/2025 14:25

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2025/11/29/ai-creating-a-jobs-drought-for-young-people-and-it-will-only-get-worse-recruiter-warns/

I guess this guy is another Luddite who hasn't learned to 'embrace' AI and get with the programme?

"Artificial intelligence is creating a “jobs drought” for graduates and younger people seeking entry-level employment, and things are only going to get worse, according to James Reed, chair of Reed, the world’s largest family-run recruitment firm.
Speaking at the Other Voices festival in Dingle, Co Kerry, London-based Mr Reed said in his 30-plus years in the recruitment business he had never seen shrinking vacancies in a growing economy and the trend is endemic.
“The truth is we haven’t even hit rock bottom yet in terms of decreasing numbers of vacancies – and this holds for all our markets, including Ireland.” he said. “When it comes to the impact of AI, we are not talking about the future here; we are talking about now.”

James Reed, who employs more than 4,500 people at Reed recruitment firm, said vacancies had collapsed in the UK. Photographer: Hollie Adams/Bloomberg

AI creating a jobs drought for young people, and it will only get worse, recruiter warns

James Reed warned vacancies ‘haven’t even hit rock bottom yet’, but impact is being felt

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2025/11/29/ai-creating-a-jobs-drought-for-young-people-and-it-will-only-get-worse-recruiter-warns/